Garrett, Donald E., author

Gilligan, Rorie Alexander, author

Gupta, A. (Ashok), author

Hurlbut, Cornelius S. (Cornelius Searle), 1906-2005

Average ticket size of medicine orders has doubled,it says

Firm offers contactless experience

A.P. is ahead of other states with regard to testing capacity, Medical and Health Commissioner Katamaneni Bhaskar said the government was taking measures to contain the spread of the virus

It also seeks details of paid quarantine facilities and death rate

The panelists discuss online resources for JavaScript Developers.

Panel Justin Searls (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code) Discussion 01:33 - Justin Searls Test Double 02:14 - Jasmine Pivotal Labs 03:42 - Testing JavaScript 05:29 - CoffeeScript 07:22 - What Jasmine is Unit testing library RSpec DOM agnostic 10:16 - Testing the DOM 14:01 - Tragedy of the commons factory_girl 18:29 - Testing 23:53 - Syntax in Jasmine 26:23 - RSpec and Jasmine 28:07 - Async support in Jasmine 32:18 - Spies mockito Conditional stubbing jasmine-stealth jasmine-fixture 37:30 - jasmine-given Cucumber 43:19 - Running Jasmine jasminerice jasmine-rails jasmine-headless-webkit Testacular testem 49:17 - tryjasmine.com Picks Running MongoDB on AWS (Jamison) The Clean Coder by Robert C. Martin (Joe) Squire.js (Joe and Merrick) Rdio app (Merrick) Square (AJ) Allrecipes.com (AJ) Jenkins CI (Chuck) Apple’s Podcast app (Chuck) lineman (Justin) StarTalk Radio Show with Neil Degrasse Tyson (Justin) To The Moon PC Game (Justin) Transcript JAMISON:  Holy cow! JOE:  That was not annoying. CHUCK:  What’s not annoying? MERRICK:  He is punching a bag of Fritos? JOE:  Yeah. [Laughter] CHUCK:  Well, I was closing it up so they don’t get stale as fast. JOE:  You’re very thorough. Those are going to be the least stale… MERRICK:  Do you have like a Frito resealer or something? [Laughter] [Shrill sound] CHUCK:  Okay, sealed. [This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.] [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.] CHUCK:  Hey everybody, and welcome to Episode 38 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance. JAMISON:  Hi guys! CHUCK:  Joe Eames. JOE:  Howdy? CHUCK:  Merrick Christensen. MERRICK:  What’s up? CHUCK:  AJ O’Neal is trying to join the call. He’s here. AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the Rental Agreement sphere of Provo, Utah. MERRICK:  He lives! CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. And this week, we have a special guest. That’s Justin Searls. JUSTIN:  Hello. CHUCK:  So, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself, Justin? JUSTIN:  Okay. Well, now that I’m on the spot, my name is Justin. I’m a software developer. I live in Columbus, Ohio. About a year ago, me and a guy named Todd Kaufman started a new company called Test Double. Previously, he and I had been doing consulting for a long, long time. And we’re up to eight people now. And we have a good time building software with an emphasis on terrific interaction design which has resulted in us kind of developing a specialty for well-crafted frontend code, predominantly JavaScript. And I imagine that’s probably why I’m here today. CHUCK:  Awesome. Alright. Well, we brought you on to talk about Jasmine. Jasmine was written by, was it Pivotal Labs?  JUSTIN:  Yeah, Pivotal Labs guys. A guy names Christian Williams who I think has since moved on to Square, and D.W. Frank who’s still at Pivotal. They wrote the core library and me and a whole bunch of other people in the community have piled on with different runners and add-ons and extensions in the sort of like little ecosystem of the 25 people who write unit tests for JavaScript. CHUCK:  All 25 of you, huh? JUSTIN:  Well, it’s not a lot, right? It’s been a fun journey of being one of the very few people who really, really got excited or chose to get excited about making it easier for folks to write tests in JavaScript or as easy as it would be for whatever servers and language they’d be using.

02:43 - Amit Kaufman Introduction

• GitHub
• Wix

03:07 - Avi Marcus Introduction

• GitHub
• Wix

04:35 - Why Move Your Rendering Engine to React?

• [GitHub] react

07:25 - Using JavaScript

• Object-Oriented Programming

09:57 - Business Process and Progression (Getting Managerial Approval)

• Client-Side vs. Server-Side Rendering

12:46 - Manipulation

15:11 - Layout and Performance

• Measuring and Patching

20:21 - Building Client-Side Applications in General

• Abstraction
• Make Code Predictable and Clear
• Have a Goal

26:00 - Events

29:30 - Storage

• Lazy Components

31:31 - Immutability

34:36 - Flux and Keeping Code Maintainable

• Packages

38:19 - Two-way Data Binding

Picks

Notes on the book "Art & Fear" by David Bayles & Ted Orland (Jamison)
Papers (Jamison)
Dynamo: Amazon’s Highly Available Key-value Store (Jamison)
LDS Conference Talks (AJ)
Stephen Young: Why your code is so hard to understand (Aimee)
Kombucha (Aimee)
Pascal Precht: Integrating Web Components with AngularJS (Pascal)
Template Syntax Constraints and Reasoning (Design Doc) (Pascal)
RUNNING WITH RIFLES (Joe)
[Pluralsight Webinar] AngularJS 2.0: What you need to know with Joe (Joe)
Whiplash (Amit)
Dan Ariely: What makes us feel good about our work? (Amit)
React Templates (Amit)
Esprima (Avi)
Big Hero 6 (Avi)

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02:55 - Gregg Pollack Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Envy Labs
  • @envylabs
• Code School
  • @codeschool  
• Starter Studio

05:19 - Code School

• Rails for Zombies
• Try Ruby

06:49 - Course Content

• Code School Angular.js Courses
• Breaking the Ice with Regular Expressions
• The Fundamentals of Design

09:42 - Plots & Storylines

11:40 - Code School vs Pluralsight

14:09 - Structuring Courses

• Frontend vs Backend
  • Building Blocks of Express.js
  • Real-Time Web with Node.js  
• Security & Sandboxing
  • abecedary
  • Mocha

18:21 - JavaScript.com

• Try jQuery
• Contributing to JavaScript.com
  • Let Us Know
• Try JavaScript
• Resources

22:47 - Designing Exercises & Challenges

• abecedary
• Chai

30:31 - The Future of Online Learning

• Thinkful
• Bloc.io
• AirPair
• HackHands
• Smarterer

34:01 - Teaching Best Practices

Picks

Mr. Robot (Gregg)
#ILookLikeAnEngineer (Aimee)
Why we Need WebAssembly An Interview with Brendan Eich (Aimee)
Raspberry Pi 2 Model B (AJ)
Periscope (Chuck)

03:01 - Marc Grabanski Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog

03:35 - The jQuery UI Datepicker

04:29 - Frontend Masters

• @FrontendMasters

07:26 - The Live Streaming Phenomenon

• Twitch.tv

09:17 - Scalability

11:25 - Value, Feedback Cycle

14:43 - Structuring Courses and Workshops

16:09 - Online vs In-Person

• Prerequisites

18:11 - Booking Workshops

19:02 - Scaling (Cont’d)

20:00 - Online Education (eLearning) in General

• egghead.io
• CodeCombat
• NodeSchool

21:40 - The Business Model

• Licensing

24:12 - Hot Sellers

• Kyle Simpson: Advanced JavaScript

25:28 - Technical Setup

• Livestream
• Firebase

27:27 - Selecting Topics

29:41 - Future Topics / Topics in Production

30:38 - Individual / Company Attendees

• frontendmasters.com/workshops

31:45 - Upcoming Plans for Frontend Masters

32:32 - Advice For Starting Something Like Frontend Masters

34:23 - Keeping Content Up-to-date

36:14 - eLearning Experiments

• Untrusted
• exercism.io
• NodeSchool
• A Better Way to Learn JavaScript
• My Tech High

39:30 - Giveaways

• marc@frontendmasters.com

40:07 - Getting Started with Programming

43:03 - Marketing

45:20 - Teacher Compensation

Picks

Jessica Kerr: Functional Principles In React @ React Rally 2015 (Jamison)
thought-haver (Jamison)
[Frontend Masters] Angular Application Development (Aimee)
[Frontend Masters] JavaScript the Good Parts (Aimee)
LÄRABAR (Aimee)
Taking time off (Chuck)
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (Joe)
BB-8 by Sphero (Joe)
ng-conf (Joe)
The Tim Ferriss Show (Marc)
CodeCombat (Marc)
Untrusted (Marc)

03:08 - Benjamin Dunphy Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub

04:07 - Berkeley Martinez Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Free Code Camp

04:19 - Ian Sinnott Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog
• TruSTAR Technology

05:19 - The React Codebase

12:38 - Other Important Parts of the React Ecosystem

14:22 - The Angular vs the React Ecosystem and Community

• The Learning Curve
• create-react-app

22:07 - Community

Developer Experience

• Functional Programming

26:56 - Getting Connected to the React Community

• Meetup: Real World React
  • @rwreact
• ReactJS San Francisco Bay Area Meetup
• Meetup
• Eventbrite
• Calagator
• Twitter
• Dan Abramov: My React List

29:34 - Conferences

• React.js Conf
• React Rally
• ReactNext
• ReactiveConf
• ReactEurope

33:28 - Technology From the Community

• redux
• ThunderCats.js
  38:23 - Choices Are Expanding; Not Shrinking
• Linting

40:19 - The Future of React

42:39 - Starting More Communities

Picks

• This Developing Story (Aimee)
• Nashville (Aimee)
• Nodevember (Aimee)
• egghead.io: React in 7 Minutes (Ben)
• Lee Byron: Immutable User Interfaces @ Render 2016 (Ben)
• Nick Schrock: React.js Conf 2016 Keynote (Ben)
• create-react-app (Ian)
• Functional Programming Jargon (Ian)
• The Serverless Framework (Ian)
• Ben's Blog (Berkeley)
• Isaac Asimov’s Robot Series (Berkeley)
• Vsauce: The Zipf Mystery (Berkeley)
• Kinesis Advantage for PC & Mac (Dave)

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Tyler Renelle is a contractor and developer who has worked in various web technologies like Node, Angular, Rails, and much more. He's also build machine learning backends in Python (Flask), Tensorflow, and Neural Networks.

The JavaScript Jabber panel dives into Machine Learning with Tyler Renelle. Specifically, they go into what is emerging in machine learning and artificial intelligence and what that means for programmers and programming jobs.

This episode dives into:

• Whether machine learning will replace programming jobs
• Economic automation
• Which platforms and languages to use to get into machine learning
• and much, much more...

Links:

• Raspberry Pi
• Arduino
• Hacker News
• Neural Networks (wikipedia)
• Deep Mind
• Shallow Algorithms
• Genetic Algorithms
• Crisper gene editing
• Wix
• thegrid.io
• Codeschool
• Codecademy
• Tensorflow
• Keras
• Machine Learning Guide
• Andrew Ng Coursera Course
• Python
• R
• Java
• Torch
• PyTorch
• Caffe
• Scikit learn
• Tensorfire
• DeepLearn.js
• The Singularity is Near by Ray Kurzweil
• Tensorforce
• Super Intelligence by Nick Bostrom

Picks:

Aimee

• Include media
• Nodevember
• Phone cases

AJ

• Data Skeptic
• Ready Player One

Joe

• Everybody Lies

Tyler

• Ex Machina
• Philosophy of Mind: Brains, Consciousness, and Thinking Machines

Panel: 

• Joe Eames
• Aimee Knight
• AJ O'Neal
• Joe Eames

Special Guests: Christine Legge

In this episode, the JavaScript Jabber panel talks to Christine Legge about functional programming with Ramda. Christine is a front-end software engineer and just recently got a new job in New York working at Google. Ramda is a utility library in JavaScript that focuses on making it easier to write JavaScript code in a functional way. They talk about functional programming and what it is, using Ramda in Redux, and referential transparency. They also touch on why she first got into Ramda, compare Ramda to Lodash and Underscore, and more!

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• Chirstine intro 
• Works as a front-end software engineer
• What is Ramda? 
• JavaScript
• Utility library like Lodash and Underscore
• Lodash and Underscore VS Ramda
• Functional programming
• Ramda and Functional programming as a mindset
• Ramda at ZenHub
• Ramda with Redux and React
• What is referential transparency?
• Why would you use Ramda VS Lodash or Underscore?
• Why she first got into Ramda
• Didn’t always want to be a programmer
• Background in Math
• Learning functional programming as a new programmer
• Erlang
• DrRacket and Java
• Ramda makes it easy to compose functions
• Creating clean and reusable code
• How do you start using Ramda?
• And much, much more! 

Links:

• Ramda
• Lodash
• Underscore
• ZenHub
• Redux
• React
• Erlang
• DrRacket
• @leggechr
• Chirstine’s GitHub

Sponsors

• Kendo UI
• Sentry
• Digital Ocean

Picks:

Charles

• Home Depot Tool Rental
• Podcast Movement
• CES
• VRBO

Aimee

• Apple Cider Vinegar
• Jeremy Fairbank Talk – Practical Functional Programming

AJ

• Goat’s Milk

Joe

• Topgolf
• Framework Summit

Christine

• Dan Mangan
• Reply All Podcast

Panel: Charles Max Wood

Guest: Christine Legge

This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Christine Legge who is a computer software engineer who works for Google in New York. Previous employment includes Axiom Zen, and Vizzion, Inc. She and Chuck talk about her background, past and current projects, and her future goals.

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

1:07 – Hello!

1:10 – Chuck: You were on Episode 328 in the past. Tell us about yourself!

1:24 – Christine: I started working with Google about 2 weeks ago. In the past I worked in Vancouver, Canada.

2:05 – Chuck: Let’s start with how you got into programming?

2:14 – Christine: When I was in HS I wasn’t interested at all into computers. I wanted to do applied math in Toronto Canada for college. For engineering you have to take an introduction to programming in the 1^st year. I had a 4-hour computer science course in the morning and I dreaded it. I dropped out 3 months later b/c I didn’t like the program. Surprisingly, enough, I did like the computer science course. I went back to Vancouver and I said to my parents that I wanted an office job. I went to the YMCA center and wanted to be hired. The man there asked if I had any interest in data entering, and I started working for him. I worked 4 hours a week with him where he taught me C+. I decided to go back to school for it.

5:37 – Chuck: What did you like about it?

5:43 – Christine: I liked the problem solving part of it. I like how you can break things down. The technology doesn’t interest me that much, but I like the problem-solving aspect. The guy wasn’t that up-to-date with the newest technologies either.

6:53 – Chuck: You have a 4-year degree in computer science.

7:05 – Yes that and statistics, too.

7:13 – Chuck: I was going to say “nerd.”

How do you go from desktop applications to web apps?

7:25 – Christine: I worked with a company part-time and fulltime depending on the year/season.

I didn’t know what web development was but I thought that THAT was computer science. I thought that if I knew how to do web development then I was going to be good to go. This company asked: What do you want to do? And I answered that I wanted to do web development b/c I thought that’s what I was lacking. I basically got thrown into it. I didn’t understand anything at all. It took me to write one line of CSS and it took 4 hours.

10:35 – Why did JavaScript attract you more so than C# or other languages that you’ve used?

10:43 – It’s simpler and you don’t need a lot of setup; from top to bottom. I am working in typescript, I like it even more, but I like how Java is more free to do what you want. I like functional programming in JavaScript. I like the big community for Java, and there are tons of applications for it. I really like how flexible the language is. You can do functional and oriented or you can combine the two. You aren’t constrained.

12:00 – Chuck: You get in, you work through JavaScript, were you only doing backend?

12:14 – Christine: Yep, backend.

13:00 –Chuck: I know you talked at the conference, and what are you most proud of?

13:14 – Christine: To be honest, no. My mentor (Pablo) at the last company – he wrote a book about D3. He started learning and writing the book. To me that I had thought that all these people are experts from the get go. I realized that everyone has to start somewhere to eventually become an expert. I do want to make an impact even outside of my job. I don’t have anything new that I’ve been working on. It’s a goal for me within the next couple of months.

15:30 – Chuck: I understand that.

15:36 – Christine: I haven’t found that balance, yet. When I gave that talk during Developer Week I was moving and stressed out. “I am NEVER doing this again!” It was over and it was very rewarding. People gave good feedback, and I would like to do that again.

16:56 – Chuck: People have different experience with that kind of stuff. People are interested in different things. So you’ve been working on moving and all that stuff right? What would you like to dive back into?

17:32 – Christine: Yes we are using Angular 2 and typescript and a Reactive Library. Angular is interesting to me. I would like to dive into the dependency injection in Angular. I really like typescript.

19:24 – Chuck: Have you looked at resources?

19:39 – Christine: I read the documentation so far. Like for React I just read the documentation but I haven’t found a central source just, yet. Not a single source. The docs are okay to get started but I haven’t found that they were enough.

20:50 – Chuck: This is about your story. I worked through the Tour of Heroes, and that helped me with Angular. It’s in the Angular Documentation.

21:23 – Christine: When you are starting at a new job I want to make sure I’m settled-in. And now I want to start thinking at a high-level of how these things work. I think the cool thing working here is that you can talk to the people who are working on Angular and get some insight that way.

22:27 – Chuck: People are usually very approachable.

22:34 – Christine: Yes, I agree. To be apart of the communities people want you to use their stuff.

22:48 – Chuck: Do you have another talk in mind when you are ready to give your next talk?

22:59 – Christine: Not sure. I have one thing on my list right now and that’s it.

23:42 – Chuck: I haven’t looked at RJX documentation but I think it’s pretty easy to pick-up. Ben who is the main developer RJX joined the team last year.

24:04 – Christine: It’s a lot of promises. When I figure it out that’s how something would work if it were a promise then I can usually get there.

24:25 – Chuck: Yeah.

24:38 – Christine: I kind of want to make connections in the office rather than me trying to do myself. I don’t want to waste time. Working on those connections would be good.

25:20 – Chuck: Let’s do some picks!

25:30 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! 30-Day Trial!

Links:

• React
• Angular
• Vue.js
• JavaScript
• Ember
• Elm
• jQuery
• Christine Legge’s LinkedIn
• Christine Legge’s Twitter
• Christine Legge’s GitHub

Sponsors:

• Cache Fly
• Get A Coder Job
• Fresh Books

Picks:

Charles

• My Calendar Software – BusyCal and Google Calendar
• Google Calendar just started appointment slots

Christine

• Podcast: The Pitch
• Podcast: How I Built This

Sponsors:

• KendoUI
• Sentry use the code "devchat" for $100 credit
• Clubhouse

Panel:

Charles Max Wood

Special Guests: Ed Thomson

In this episode, the Charles speaks with Ed Thomson who is a Program Manager at Azure through Microsoft, Developer, and Open Source Maintainer. Ed and Chuck discuss in full detail about Azure DevOps! Check out today’s episode to hear its new features and other exciting news!

Show Topics:

0:59 – Live at Microsoft Ignite

1:03 – Ed: Hi! I am a Program Manager at Azure.

1:28 – Rewind 2 episodes to hear more about Azure DevOps!

1:51 – Ed: One of the moves from Pipelines to DevOps – they could still adopt Pipelines. Now that they are separate services – it’s great.

2:38 – Chuck talks about features he does and doesn’t use.

2:54 – Ed.

3:00 – Chuck: Repos and Pipelines. I am going to dive right in. Let’s talk about Repos. Microsoft just acquired GitHub.

3:18 – Ed: Technically we have not officially acquired GitHub.

3:34 – Chuck: It’s not done. It’s the end of September now.

3:55 – Ed: They will remain the same thing for a while. GitHub is the home for open source. Repos – we use it in Microsoft. Repositories are huge. There are 4,000 engineers working in these repositories. Everyone works in his or her own little area, and you have to work together. You have to do all this engineering to get there. We bit a tool and it basically if you run clone...

Ed continues to talk about this topic. He is talking about One Drive and these repositories.

6:28 – Ed: We aren’t going to be mixing and matching. I used to work through GitHub. It’s exciting to see those people work close to me.

6:54 – Chuck.

6:59 – Ed: It has come a long way.

7:07 – Chuck: Beyond the FSF are we talking about other features or?

7:21 – Ed: We have unique features. We have branch policies. You can require that people do pole request. You have to use pole request and your CI has to pass and things like that. I think there is a lot of richness in our auditing. We have enterprise focus. At its core it still is Git. We can all interoperate.

8:17 – Chuck.

8:37 – Ed: You just can’t set it up with Apache. You have to figure it out.

8:51 – Chuck: The method of pushing and pulling.

9:06 – Chuck: You can try DevOps for free up to 5 users and unlimited private repos. People are interested in this because GitHub makes you pay for that.

9:38 – Ed and Chuck continue to talk.

9:50 – Ed: Pipelines is the most interesting thing we are working on. We have revamped the entire experience. Build and release. It’s easy to get started. We have a visual designer. Super helpful – super straightforward. Releases once your code is built – get it out to production say for example Azure. It’s the important thing to get your code out there.

10:55 – Chuck: How can someone start with this?

11:00 – Ed: Depends on where your repository is. It will look at your code. “Oh, I know what that is, I know how to build that!” Maybe everyone isn’t doing everything with JavaScript. If you are using DotNet then it will know.

12:05 – Chuck: What if I am using both a backend and a frontend?

12:11 – Ed: One repository? That’s when you will have to do a little hand packing on the...

There are different opportunities there. If you have a bash script that does it for you. If not, then you can orchestrate it. Reduce the time it takes. If it’s an open source project; there’s 2 – what are you going to do with the other 8? You’d be surprised – people try to sneak that in there.

13:30 – Chuck: It seems like continuous integration isn’t a whole lot complicated.

13:39 – Ed: I am a simple guy that’s how I do it. You can do advanced stuff, though. The Cake Build system – they are doing some crazy things. We have got Windows, Lennox, and others. Are you building for Raspberries Pies, then okay, do this...

It’s not just running a script.

15:00 – Chuck: People do get pretty complicated if they want. It can get complicated. Who knows?

15:26 – Chuck:  How much work do you have to do to set-up a Pipeline like that?

15:37 – Ed answers the question in detail.

16:03 – Chuck asks a question.

16:12 – Ed: Now this is where it gets contentious. If one fails...

Our default task out of the box...

16:56 – Chuck: If you want 2 steps you can (like me who is crazy).

17:05 – Ed: Yes, I want to see if it failed.

17:17 – Chuck: Dude, writing code is hard. Once you have it built and tested – continuous deployment.

17:33 – Ed: It’s very easy. It’s super straightforward, it doesn’t have to be Azure (although I hope it is!).

Ed continues this conversation.

18:43 – Chuck: And it just pulls it?

18:49 – Ed: Don’t poke holes into your firewall. We do give you a lot of flexibility

19:04 – Chuck: VPN credentials?

19:10 – Ed: Just run the...

19:25 – Chuck comments.

19:36 – Ed: ...Take that Zip...

20:02 – Ed: Once the planets are finely aligned then...it will just pull from it.

20:25 – Chuck: I host my stuff on Digital Ocean.

20:46 – Ed: It’s been awhile since I played with...

20:55 – Chuck.

20:59 – Ed and Chuck go back and forth with different situations and hypothetical situations.

21:10 – Ed: What is Phoenix?

21:20 – Chuck explains it.

21:25 – Ed: Here is what we probably don’t have is a lot of ERLANG support.

22:41 – Advertisement.

23:31 – Chuck: Let’s just say it’s a possibility. We took the strip down node and...

23:49 – Ed: I think it’s going to happen.

23:55 – Ed: Exactly.

24:02 – Chuck: Testing against Azure services. So, it’s one thing to run on my machine but it’s another thing when other things connect nicely with an Azure set-up. Does it connect natively once it’s in the Azure cloud?

24:35 – Ed: It should, but there are so many services, so I don’t want to say that everything is identical. We will say yes with an asterisk.

25:07 – Chuck: With continuous deployment...

25:41 – Ed: As an example: I have a CD Pipeline for my website. Every time I merge into master...

Ed continues this hypothetical situation with full details. Check it out!

27:03 – Chuck: You probably can do just about anything – deploy by Tweet!

27:15 – Ed: You can stop the deployment if people on Twitter start complaining.

27:40 – Chuck: That is awesome! IF it is something you care about – and if it’s worth the time – then why not? If you don’t have to think about it then great. I have mentioned this before: Am I solving interesting problems? What projects do I want to work on? What kinds of contributions do I really want to contribute to open source?

That’s the thing – if you have all these tools that are set-up then your process, how do you work on what, and remove the pain points then you can just write code so people can use! That’s the power of this – because it catches the bug before I have to catch it – then that saves me time.

30:08 – Ed: That’s the dream of computers is that the computers are supposed to make OUR lives easier. IF we can do that and catch those bugs before you catch it then you are saving time. Finding bugs as quickly as possible it avoids downtime and messy deployments.

31:03 – Chuck: Then you can use time for coding style and other things.

I can take mental shortcuts.

31:37 – Ed: The other thing you can do is avoiding security problems. If a static code analysis tool catches an integer overflow then...

32:30 – Chuck adds his comments.

Chuck: You can set your policy to block it or ignore it. Then you are running these tools to run security. There are third-party tools that do security analysis on your code. Do you integrate with those?

33:00 – Ed: Yep. My favorite is WhiteSource. It knows all of the open source and third-party tools. It can scan your code and...

34:05 – Chuck: It works with a lot of languages.

34:14 – Ed.

34:25 – Chuck: A lot of JavaScript developers are getting into mobile development, like Ionic, and others. You have all these systems out there for different stages for writing for mobile. Android, windows Phone, Blackberry...

35:04 – Ed: Let’s throw out Blackberry builds. We will ignore it.

Mac OS dies a fine job. That’s why we have all of those.

35:29 – Chuck: But I want to run my tests, too!

35:36 – Ed: I really like to use App Center. It is ultimately incredible to see all the tests you can run.

36:29 – Chuck: The deployment is different, though, right?

36:40 – Ed: I have a friend who clicks a button in...

Azure DevOps.

37:00 – Chuck: I like to remind people that this isn’t a new product.

37:15 – Ed: Yes, Azure DevOps.

37:24 – Chuck: Any new features that are coming out?

37:27 – Ed: We took a little break, but...

37:47 – Ed: We will pick back up once Ignite is over. We have a timeline on our website when we expect to launch some new features, and some are secret, so keep checking out the website.

39:07 – Chuck: What is the interplay between Azure DevOps and Visual Studio Code? Because they have plugins for freaking everything. I am sure there is something there that...

39:30 – Ed: I am a VI guy and I’m like 90% sure there is something there.

You are an eMac’s guy?

The way I think about it is through Git right out of the box.

Yes, I think there are better things out there for integration. I know we have a lot of great things in Visual Code, because I worked with it.

40:45 – Chuck: Yes, people can look for extensions and see what the capabilities are.

Chuck talks about code editor and tools. 

41:28 – Ed: ... we have been pulling that out as quickly as possible.

We do have IE extensions, I am sure there is something for VS Code – but it’s not where I want to spend my time.

42:02 – Chuck: Yes, sure.

42:07 – Ed: But everyone is different – they won’t work the way that I work. So there’s that.

42:30 – Ed: That Chuck.

42:36 – Chuck: Where do people get news?

42:42 – Ed: Go to here!

42:54 – Chuck: Where do people find you?

43:00 – Ed: Twitter!

43:07 – Chuck: Let’s do Picks!

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Links:

• GitHub
• Microsoft’s Azure
• Microsoft’s Pipeline
• Azure DevOps
• Erlang
• WhiteSource
• Chuck’s Twitter
• Ed Thomson’s Twitter
• Ed Thomson’s GitHub
• Ed Thomson’s Website
• Ed Thomson’s LinkedIn

Picks:

Ed

• Podcast - All Things Git

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• Netlify
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• Clubhouse

Panel:

• Joe Eames
• Aimee Knight
• Chris Ferdinandi
• AJ O’Neal
• Charles Max Wood

Special Guest - Sarah Dayan

In this episode of JavaScript Jabber, the panelists talk to Sarah Dayan, who is a Frontend Software Engineer working for Algolia in Paris. They about the complications in handling money in software development and ask Sarah about the journey that led to the creation of Dinero.js, it’s implementation details, importance of maintaining good documentation, dealing with issues faced along the way, various features of Dinero and working with open source projects in general. Check it out!

Show Topics:

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1:44 - Sarah introduces herself and Chris talks about his interest in learning more about Dinero and compliments Sarah on its great documentation.

3.10 - Sarah gives some background saying that she created and published Dinero around a year ago. She goes on to explain that the Dinero library helps in handling monetary values. It comes with several methods to parse, manipulate and format these values. The reason behind creating it is that there is no consensus on representing money in software development currently. She shares the story from her previous job where her work was to maintain legacy accounting software, and along the way they realized, that since JavaScript did not have a way to natively represent decimal values, it led to adding large numbers of rounded up numbers continuously, eventually leading to wrong computations.

6:50 - Aimee asks about ways to handle different currencies in Dinero. Sarah answers that she has followed Martin Fowler’s money pattern where two different currencies were not allowed to be worked on directly, conversion was mandatory, just like in real life.

7:50 - Charles talks about his old freelance work where he was overwhelmed while handling and representing money in software.

8:25 - Aimee enquires if Dinero can be used for both frontend and backend. Sarah replies that it can be used anywhere and explains that there is no such thing as just a number when it comes to money, there must be a currency associated with it.

9:30 - Charles asks how to figure out the direction to go to when dealing with money and to make sure that all use-cases are covered. Sarah answers that in cases such as floating-point math where the computations don’t end up being accurate as handling is not supported, numbers can be used if treated as subunits (for e.g. 100cents = 1$). However, even then, there are issues in dividing money. She then explains the procedure of “allocation” from the Fowler pattern and she says that Dinero helps in doing the same in such scenarios.

12:54 - They discuss how they did not realize how difficult it was dealing with monetary values in development. Sarah talks about the fact that there are numerous aspects involved in it, giving the example of rounding off and stating that there are even factors such as different laws in different countries that need to be considered.

16:00 - AJ asks details about crafting the library, maintaining the centralized code and covering of edge cases and using inheritance. Sarah explains the concept of domain driven development and the importance of being an expert in the respective domains. She talks about the library structure briefly, describing that is kept very simple with a module pattern and it has allowed her to manage visibility, make it immutable, include currency converters, formatters and so on.

19:34 - AJ asks about the internal complexity of the implementation. Sarah answers that code wise it is extremely simple and easy, anyone with a limited JavaScript experience can understand it.

20:50 - AJ asks if it’s open source to which Sarah answers in affirmative and says that she would like external help with implementing some features too.

22:10 - Chris asks about Sarah’s excellent documentation approach, how has she managed to do it in a very detailed manner and how important it is in an open source project. Sarah says that she believes that documentation is extremely important, and not having good docs is a big hindrance to developers and to anyone who is trying to learn in general. She talks about her love for writing which explains the presence of annotations and examples in the source code.

27:50 - Charles discusses how autogenerated documentation gives an explanation about the methods and functions in the code but there is no guidance as such, so it is important to have guides. Sarah agrees by saying that searching for exact solutions is much simpler with it, leading to saving time as well.

29:43 - Chris speaks about Vue also being quite good at having guides and links and thanks Sarah for her work on Dinero.

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31:23 - Chris asks what the process is, for creating and running Dinero in different places. Sarah explains that she uses rollup.js which is a bundler suited for libraries, it takes in the ES module library and gives the output in any format. She states that the reason for using the ES module library is that she wanted to provide several builds for several environments with a clean and simple source and goes on to explain that these modules are native, have a terse syntax, easy to read and can be statically analyzed. She also gives the disadvantages in choosing webpack over rollup.

36:05 - Charles asks if anyone else is using Dinero. Sarah replies that around two or three people are using it, not much, but she is happy that it is out there to help people and she enjoyed working on it.

37:50 - Joe asks if there are any interesting stories about issues such as involving weird currency. Sarah answers in affirmative and gives the example of the method “hasCents”. She explains that she had to deprecate it because the unit “cents” does not have any value in non-Western currencies, and has created “hasSubUnits” method instead. She explains some problems like dealing with currencies that don’t support the ISO 4217 standard.

42:30 - Joe asks if social and political upheavals that affect the currencies have any effect on the library too. Sarah gives the example of Chinese and Japanese currencies where there are no sub-units and states that it is important to be flexible in developing stuff in an ever-changing domain like money. She also says that she does not include any third-party dependency in the library.

46:00 - AJ says that BigInts have arrived in JavaScript but there is no way to convert between typed arrays, hexadecimal or other storage formats. But later (1:10:55), he corrects that statement saying that BigInts in fact, does have support for hexadecimals. Sarah talks about wanting to keep the code simple and keep developer experience great.

49:08 - Charles asks about the features in Dinero. Sarah elaborates on wanting to work more on detecting currencies, improve the way it is built, provide better support for type libraries and get much better at documentation.

52:32 - Charles says that it is good that Sarah is thinking about adopting Dinero to fit people’s needs and requirements and asks about different forms of outreach. Sarah says that she blogs a lot, is active on Twitter and attends conferences as well. Her goal is not popularity per se but to help people and keep on improving the product.

55:47 - Chris talks about the flip side that as the product grows and becomes popular, the number of support requests increases too. Sarah agrees that open source projects tend to eat up a lot of time and that doing such projects comes with a lot of responsibility but can also help in getting jobs.

59:47 - Sarah says that she is available online on her blog - frontstuff, on Twitter as Sarah Dayan and on GitHub as sarahdayan.

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Picks:

Sarah

• DocSearch - Algolia

AJ O’Neal

• The Legendary Profile by Modern Jazz Quartet
• Webcam Cover by Dcreate
• How Music Works - David Byrne

Chris

• Tommy Hodgins Code Series
• Tom Scott - YouTube
• Future Man

Joe

• Timeless
• A Christmas Carol narrated by Patrick Stewart

Aimee

• Hacker News thread on working with Legacy Codebases

Charles

• George Marathon
• Garmin Forerunner 235

Sponsors

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• CacheFly

Panel

• AJ O’Neal

• Charles Max Wood

Joined by Special Guest: Anatoliy Zaslavskiy

Summary

Anatoliy Zaslavskiy introduces pickle.js and answers the panels questions about using it. The panel discusses the automated testing culture and employee retention. The panel discusses job satisfaction and why there is so much turn over in development jobs. Charles Max Wood reveals some of the reasons that he left past development jobs and the panel considers how the impact of work environments and projects effect developers. Ways to choose the right job for you and how to better a work situation is discussed. Anatoliy finishes by advocating for junior developers and explaining the value they bring to a company.

Links

• https://github.com/storybooks/storybook

• https://www.picklejs.com/docs/getting-started

• https://opencv.org/

• https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/snapcrap/id1436238261

• https://tolicodes.com/

• https://www.facebook.com/tolicodes

• https://www.facebook.com/javascriptjabber

• https://twitter.com/JSJabber

Picks

AJ O’Neal

• The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win by Gene Kim

• How to Diagnose and Fix Everything Electronic, Second Edition by Michael Jay Geier  

Charles Max Wood

• https://andyfrisella.com/blogs/mfceo-project-podcast

• https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com/the-askgaryvee-show-podcast/

• The 1-Page Marketing Plan: Get New Customers, Make More Money, And Stand out From The Crowd by Allan Dib

• Skyward by Brandon Sanderson

Anatoliy Zaslavskiy

• Acro yoga

• http://www.cuddleparty.com/

Sponsors

• Sustain Our Software

• Sentry– use the code “devchat” for $100 credit 

• Adventures in Blockchain

Panel

• Charles Max Wood

Episode Summary

In today’s show, Chuck talks about the recent tweet thread about 10x engineers. He goes through each of the points in the tweet and talks about each of them in turn. There are only two points he sort of agrees with, and believes the rest to be absolute garbage. One of the issues with this tweet is that it doesn’t define what a 10x engineer is. Defining a 10x engineer is difficult because it is also impossible to measure a truly average engineer because there are many factors that play into measuring productivity. Chuck turns the discussion to what a 10x engineer is to him and how to find one. A 10x engineer is dependent on the organization that they are a part of, because they are not simply found, they are made. When a 10x engineer is added to a team, the productivity of the entire team increases. Employers have to consider firstly what you need in your team and how a person would fit in. You want to avoid changing the entire culture of your organization. Consider also that a 10x engineer may be hired as a 2x engineer, but it is the employer that turns them into a 10x engineer. Overall, Chuck believes these tweets are asinine because it’s impossible to measure what makes a 10x engineer in the first place, and hiring a person that fits the attributes in the list would be toxic to your company. 

Links

• 10x engineer twitter thread

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Picks

Charles Max Wood:

• Copyhackers.com

• Good to Great by Jim Collins

• Keto diet

• Podcast Movement

Gant Laborde is the Chief Innovation Officer of Infinite Red who is working on a course for beginners on machine learning. There is a lot of gatekeeping with machine learning, and this attitude that only people with PhDs should touch it. In spite of this, Gant thinks that in the next 5 years everyone will be using machine learning, and that it will be pioneered by web developers. One of the strong points of the web is experimentation, and Gant contrasts this to the academic approach. 

They conversation turns to Gant’s course on machine learning and how it is structured. He stresses the importance of understanding unicode, assembly, and other higher concepts. In his course he gives you the resources to go deeper and talks about libraries and frameworks available that can get you started right away. His first lesson is a splashdown into the jargon of machine learning, which he maps over into developer terms. After a little JavaScript kung fu, he takes some tools that are already out there and converts it into a website.

Chris and Gant discuss some different uses for machine learning and how it can improve development. One of the biggest applications they see is to train the computers to figure monotonous tasks out while the human beings focus on other projects, such as watching security camera footage and identifying images. Gant restates his belief that in the next 5 years, AI will be everywhere. People will grab the boring things first, then they will go for the exciting things. Gant talks about his creation NSFW.js, an open source train model to help you catch indecent content. He and Chris discuss different applications for this technology.

Next, the panel discusses where machine learning can be seen in everyday life, especially in big companies such as Google. They cite completing your sentences in an email for you as an example of machine learning. They talk about the ethics of machine learning, especially concerning security and personal data. They anticipate that the next problem is edge devices for AI, and this is where JavaScript really comes in, because security and privacy concerns require a developer mindset. They also believe that personal assistant devices, like those from Amazon and Google, will become even more personal through machine learning. They talk about some of the ways that personal assistant devices will improve through machine learning, such as recognizing your voice or understanding your accent. 

Their next topic of discussion is authenticity, and how computers are actually incredibly good at finding deep fakes. They discuss the practice of placing passed away people into movies as one of the applications of machine learning, and the ethics surrounding that. Since developers tend to be worried about inclusions, ethics, and the implications of things, Gant believes that these are the people he wants to have control over what AI is going to do to help build a more conscious data set. 

The show concludes with Gant talking about the resources to help you get started with machine learning. He is a panelist on upcoming DevChat show, Adventures in Machine Learning. He has worked with people with all kinds of skill sets and has found that it doesn’t matter how much you know, it matters how interested and passionate you are about learning. If you’re willing to put the pedal to the metal for at least a month, you can come out with a basic understanding. Chris and Gant talk about Tensorflow, which helps you take care of machine learning at a higher level for fast operations without calculus. Gant is working on putting together a course on Tensorflow. If you’re interested in machine learning, go to academy.infinite.red to sign up for Gant’s course. He also announces that they will be having a sale on Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

Panelists

• Christopher Buecheler

With special guest: Gant Laborde

Sponsors

• React Round Up

• Sentry use the code “devchat” for 2 months free on Sentry’s small plan

• Adventures in Angular

Links

• Machine Learning: How To go from Zero to Hero

• NSFW.js

• Tensorflow.js

• PyTorch

• Keras

• Academy.infinite.red

• Gantlaborde.com 

Follow DevChatTV on Facebook and Twitter

Picks

Christopher Buecheler:

• Next.js

• Big Wreck, But For The Sun

Gant Laborde: 

• Nicornot.com

Free 5 day mini course on academy.infinite.red

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