Bonan, Gordon B., author

O'Hara, Kieran D., author

Mill Operators' Conference (7th : 2000 : Kalgoorlie, Western Australia)

EPD Congress (2005 : San Francisco, Calif.)

International Congress on Mineral Processing and Extractive Metallurgy (2000 : Melbourne, Vic.)

Johnston, Arthur

Cromer, E. L

International Symposium on Hydrometallurgy (2nd : 1973 : Chicago, Ill.)

PARKER COOPERATIVE RESEARCH CENTRE FOR INTEGRATED HYDROMETALLURGY SOLUTIONS

Warner, Terence E., 1960-

Sinclair, Roderick J

Manners, Ron (Ron B.)

Rodriguez, Esther

International Symposium on Hydrometallurgy (3rd : 1983 : Atlanta, Ga.)

EPD Congress (2012 : Orlando, Fla.)

Toulouevski, Yuri N., author

Kozin, L. F. (Leonid Fomich), author

Publisher New Zealand : New Zealand Veterinary Association

Location World Wide Web

Call No. SF605

Publisher New York, N.Y. : Nature America Inc.

Location World Wide Web

Call No. SF405.5

The panelists discuss online resources for JavaScript Developers.

Panel Jake Archibald (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:14 - Jake Archibald Introduction Works on Developer Relations on the Google Chrome Team 01:57 - The Application Cache Eric Bidelman: A Beginner's Guide to Using the Application Cache - HTML5 Rocks Down Fall 07:12 - Working with Single Page Apps 08:40 - Detecting Connectivity Express.js Yehuda Katz: Extend the Web Forward 15:42 - Running Offline 19:55 - Generating Manifest Files Grunt Task for App Cache Manifests 26:34 - NavigationController 28:49 - Progressive Enhancement Jake Archibald: Progressive enhancement is still Important 059 JSJ jQuery Mobile with Todd Parker 058 JSJ Building Accessible Websites with Brian Hogan Feature Detection Modernizr SEO Picks Arduino (Jamison) Draft (Jamison) RoboRally (Chuck) Adobe Audition CS6 (Chuck) Blue Microphones Yeti USB Microphone - Silver Edition (Chuck) async-generators (Jake) Rick Byers: DevTools just got a cool new feature in Chrome canary (Jake) johnny-five (Jamison) Next Week Book Club: JavaScript Allongé with Reginald Braithwaite Transcript CHUCK:  Maybe we’ll just talk about your general smarty-pants-ness. [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.]  [This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]  [This podcast is sponsored by JetBrains, makers of WebStorm. Whether you’re working with Node.js or building the front end of your web application, WebStorm is the tool for you. It has great code quality and code exploration tools and works with HTML5, Node, TypeScript, CoffeeScript, Harmony, LESS, Sass, Jade, JSLint, JSHint, and the Google Closure Compiler. Check it out at JetBrains.com/WebStorm.] CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 69 the JavaScript Jabber Show. This week on our panel we have Jamison Dance. JAMISON:  Hello friends. CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.TV. And we have a special guest and that is Jake Archibald. JAKE:  Hello. CHUCK:  Jake, do you want to introduce yourself for the folks who haven’t heard of you before? JAKE:  Sure thing. I work on the Google Chrome team as part of DevRel. What I’m doing there is a combination of speaking at conferences about particular stuff. I got to do a lot in performance at the moment, but I also do a lot of standards work where I’ve done a lot with an alternative to application cache, which we’ll be talking about, but also looking at things like script loading and some of the resource priority stuff. CHUCK:  Cool. So it sounds like you’re smart on a number of levels then. JAKE:  Or dumb at all. [Chuckles] I can only see what I work on. I don’t know if I’m any good at it. [Chuckles] CHUCK:  So we brought you on to talk about the application cache. I’m not completely sure I know what is totally involved there. Is it just the cache like you clear the browser cache cache or is it something else? JAKE:  Well. the aim for the application cache was to let you make a site that works offline. So we’ve got the http cache and that works, in a manner of speaking. But if you have, say a website where you’ve cached your JavaScript, you’ve cached your CSS. You’ve cached your html page and some images. That’s great, but the user will visit another website and the browser will go and delete the CSS file from your site from the cache just to make room for the stuff from this other site. That means that if we were just going to use the http cache for making things work offline, people go to your site, your html’s there, your images are there, your JavaScript’s there, but your CSS is not and that’s going to break your site.

Panel Marcus Phillips (twitter github) Fred Zirdung (twitter github) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 01:30 - Marcus Phillips and Fred Zirdung Introduction Hack Reactor 03:31 - Experience with Meteor 05:45 - Intro to Meteor Client-side Environment Tethered Queries minimongo 09:56 - Websockets 11:29 - Deployment Support 14:51 - The Cloud 16:43 - Meteor and Server-side JavaScript Engines Meteor Devshop 7 - LIVE 19:48 - Meteor and Windows 22:43 - Package Management System 23:49 - Building Meteor Apps 29:04 - Meteor Methods 33:02 - Open-Source Meteor Apps 34:15 - Hack Reactor Education Training Developers Removing Complexity Picks ng-conf (Joe) Ben Kamens: “Shipping Beats Perfection” Explained (Jamison) Evan Goer: Writing for Developers — Some Rational Techniques (Jamison) BOXEN (Chuck) Book Yourself Solid Illustrated: The Fastest, Easiest, and Most Reliable System for Getting More Clients Than You Can Handle Even if You Hate Marketing and Selling by Michael Port (Chuck) meteor / packages / deps / deps.js (Marcus) Underscoreboard (Marcus) actionHero.js (Fred) Satellite (Fred) Tilden (Fred) rethink-livedata (Marcus) Next Week Monacle with Alex MacCaw Transcript JAMISON:  Speaking of single and [working] 30 hours a week after your job, is Merrick there?   [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at BlueBox.net.]  [This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]  [This podcast is sponsored by JetBrains, makers of WebStorm. Whether you’re working with Node.js or building the frontend of your web application, WebStorm is the tool for you. It has great code quality and code exploration tools and works with HTML5, Node, TypeScript, CoffeeScript, Harmony, LESS, Sass, Jade, JSLint, JSHint, and the Google Closure Compiler. Check it out at JetBrains.com/WebStorm.] CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to episode 76 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance. JAMISON:  Hello friends. CHUCK:  Joe Eames. JOE:  Hey there. CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.TV. We’ve also got two special guests and that is Fred Zirdung. FRED:  Hello. CHUCK:  Did I totally butcher that? FRED:  Yeah, you got it right. CHUCK:  Okay. And Marcus Phillips. MARCUS:  Hi everybody. CHUCK:  Since you guys haven't been on the show before, do you want to introduce yourself? We’ll have Marcus go first. MARCUS:  Sure. I'm Marcus Phillips. I'm a JavaScript enthusiast. I've been in it for a long time. Really excited about framework architecture and lately, all about teaching what I've learned over the course of time that I've been working in the Bay Area and working on the frontend of Twitter and things like that. Nowadays, I teach at Hack Reactor full time which is an immersive school for learning to become a developer over a period of three months. JAMISON:  Cool. CHUCK:  And which technologies do you teach at Hack Reactor? MARCUS:  We use JavaScript as our teaching language. Fundamentally, what we’re trying to do is teach people software engineering principles. So, JavaScript just turns out to be one of the most useful languages we can use to do that. But from there, we kind of want to give people practical skills that they can use immediately on the job. So, we definitely drive the entire curriculum out of GitHub repos and teach them some practical things like Backbone and Node and deployment strategies. So yeah, we kind of cover the gambit from frontend to backend with a focus on JavaScript in particular. CHUCK:  Awesome. That sounds really cool. JOE:  Yeah, it does. MARCUS:  It’s a lot of fun. CHUCK:  Fred,

The panelists talk to Brad Green of Google, about Angular.js and managing open source projects.

The panelists talk about the Mozilla Developer Network with Les Orchard and David Walsh.

02:43 - Amit Kaufman Introduction

• GitHub
• Wix

03:07 - Avi Marcus Introduction

• GitHub
• Wix

04:35 - Why Move Your Rendering Engine to React?

• [GitHub] react

07:25 - Using JavaScript

• Object-Oriented Programming

09:57 - Business Process and Progression (Getting Managerial Approval)

• Client-Side vs. Server-Side Rendering

12:46 - Manipulation

15:11 - Layout and Performance

• Measuring and Patching

20:21 - Building Client-Side Applications in General

• Abstraction
• Make Code Predictable and Clear
• Have a Goal

26:00 - Events

29:30 - Storage

• Lazy Components

31:31 - Immutability

34:36 - Flux and Keeping Code Maintainable

• Packages

38:19 - Two-way Data Binding

Picks

Notes on the book "Art & Fear" by David Bayles & Ted Orland (Jamison)
Papers (Jamison)
Dynamo: Amazon’s Highly Available Key-value Store (Jamison)
LDS Conference Talks (AJ)
Stephen Young: Why your code is so hard to understand (Aimee)
Kombucha (Aimee)
Pascal Precht: Integrating Web Components with AngularJS (Pascal)
Template Syntax Constraints and Reasoning (Design Doc) (Pascal)
RUNNING WITH RIFLES (Joe)
[Pluralsight Webinar] AngularJS 2.0: What you need to know with Joe (Joe)
Whiplash (Amit)
Dan Ariely: What makes us feel good about our work? (Amit)
React Templates (Amit)
Esprima (Avi)
Big Hero 6 (Avi)

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03:01 - Marc Grabanski Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog

03:35 - The jQuery UI Datepicker

04:29 - Frontend Masters

• @FrontendMasters

07:26 - The Live Streaming Phenomenon

• Twitch.tv

09:17 - Scalability

11:25 - Value, Feedback Cycle

14:43 - Structuring Courses and Workshops

16:09 - Online vs In-Person

• Prerequisites

18:11 - Booking Workshops

19:02 - Scaling (Cont’d)

20:00 - Online Education (eLearning) in General

• egghead.io
• CodeCombat
• NodeSchool

21:40 - The Business Model

• Licensing

24:12 - Hot Sellers

• Kyle Simpson: Advanced JavaScript

25:28 - Technical Setup

• Livestream
• Firebase

27:27 - Selecting Topics

29:41 - Future Topics / Topics in Production

30:38 - Individual / Company Attendees

• frontendmasters.com/workshops

31:45 - Upcoming Plans for Frontend Masters

32:32 - Advice For Starting Something Like Frontend Masters

34:23 - Keeping Content Up-to-date

36:14 - eLearning Experiments

• Untrusted
• exercism.io
• NodeSchool
• A Better Way to Learn JavaScript
• My Tech High

39:30 - Giveaways

• marc@frontendmasters.com

40:07 - Getting Started with Programming

43:03 - Marketing

45:20 - Teacher Compensation

Picks

Jessica Kerr: Functional Principles In React @ React Rally 2015 (Jamison)
thought-haver (Jamison)
[Frontend Masters] Angular Application Development (Aimee)
[Frontend Masters] JavaScript the Good Parts (Aimee)
LÄRABAR (Aimee)
Taking time off (Chuck)
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (Joe)
BB-8 by Sphero (Joe)
ng-conf (Joe)
The Tim Ferriss Show (Marc)
CodeCombat (Marc)
Untrusted (Marc)

02:03 - Kassandra Perch Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog

02:46 - Auth0

04:10 - Centralized Auth Services: Handing Out User Data to Third Parties

05:32 - Security, Storage, and Compliance

08:48 - Managing Session Data

09:35 - Cookies vs JSON Web Tokens (JWTs)

• How Authentication Works

12:47 - OAuth

• OpenID Connect

14:12 - Identification, Authorization, and Authentication

20:16 - Auth0 Infrastructure

• Chaos Monkey

22:10 - Using Node

23:06 - The Backend

• Firebase

24:25 - Documentation and Education

36:42 - The Value of OpenID Connect

38:25 - Identity

Picks

Add AJ on Tri-Force Heroes (AJ)
Making a Murderer (AJ)
Mazie's Girl Scout Digital Cookie Site (Aimee)
React (with Introduction to Flux Architecture) (Aimee)
Jordan Scales: Let’s Make A Webpage In 2016 (Jamison)
building-brooklynjs (Jamison)
Cult of the Party Parrot (Jamison)
CSS-Tricks (Jamison)
Auth0 Docs (Kassandra)
OpenID Foundation (Kassandra)
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam (Kassandra)

02:51 - Marcus Blankenship Introduction

• Twitter
• Blog

03:09 - Panelist Worst Boss Experiences

13:06 - Developer Anarchy vs Having a Hierarchy

• SE-Radio Episode 253: Fred George on Developer Anarchy
• The Valve Playbook

20:57 - Transitioning Managers

• Impostor Syndrome

26:05 - Manager Influence

28:33 - Management vs Leadership

• Leader-Member Exchange Theory

34:37 - Interpersonal Relationships and Happiness

38:24 - What kind of feedback do managers want from their employees?

• Timesheets

46:17 - Am I manager material? Am I ready to go into management?

48:06 - Following a Technical Track

51:55 - Why would anyone ever want to be a department manager?

Picks

A Plain English Guide to JavaScript Prototypes (Aimee)
Oatmega (Aimee)
Luck by Tom Vek (Jamison)
The 27 Challenges Managers Face: Step-by-Step Solutions to (Nearly) All of Your Management Problems by Bruce Tulgan (Marcus)
React Rally Call for Proposals (Jamison)
React Rally (Jamison)
Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter by Liz Wiseman (Dave)
Soft Skills Engineering Podcast (Dave)

02:22 - Michael North Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Levanto Financial

04:10 - Ember vs React or Angular

• JavaScript Jabber Episode #203: Aurelia with Rob Eisenberg

07:13 - Convention Over Configuration

09:39 - Changes in Ember

• SproutCore  
• iCloud
• Ember CLI
• Performance
• glimmer

16:04 - Ember FastBoot

• Building a performant real-time web app with Ember Fastboot and Phoenix

18:53 - EmberConf

• Opening Keynote by Yehuda Katz & Tom Dale

22:47 - Mobile/Native Experience & Optimization

• Service Worker
• Hybrid Apps

29:52 - Electron

30:46 - Open Source Empowerment; The Ember Learning Team

33:54 - Michael North's Frontend Masters Ember 2 Series

37:11 - The Ember Community

Picks

React Rally (Jamison)
Embedded (Jamison)
Remy Sharp: A debugging thought process (Jamison)
NashDev Podcast (Aimee)
JS developers who don’t know what closure is are fine. (Aimee)
Sublime Text (Chuck)
DesktopServer (Chuck)
MemberPress (Chuck)
Frontend Masters (Mike)
Wicked Good Ember Conf (Mike)
Debugging Node.js with Visual Studio Code (Mike)

Panel:

Charles Max Wood

Aimee Knight

Corey House

Joe Eames

Special Guests: 

In this episode, JavaScript Jabber speaks with Dirk Hohndel about Open Source Software. Dirk is the Chief Open Source Officer at VMWare and has been working with open source for over 20 years. Dirk duties as the Chief Open Source Officer is to engage with the open source community and help promote the development between the community, companies, and customers.

Dirk provides historical facts about open sources to current processes. The discussion covers vision and technological advances with languages, security, and worries of using open source software, view/consumption and burnout on maintaining a project. This is a great episode to learn about more different avenues of Open Source.

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• What does the Chief Open Source Officer do?
• What is really different and has stayed the same in open source?
• Technological advances
• Good engineering and looking ahead or forward
• 100 million lines of code running a car…
• This is in everything..
• Production environments
• Security
• Bugs in the software and the security issues
• Scaling and paying attention
• Where should we be worried about open source
• Notation and data sets
• Write maintainable software
• How does VMWare think about open source?
• View and Consumption of open source
• The burnout of open source projects - how to resolve this abandonment
• To much work to maintain open source  - not a money issue
• Scaling the team workload not the money
• Contribution and giving back
• Companies who do and don’t welcome open source
• What to do to make a project open source?
• Adopting an API
• And much more!

Links:

• @_drikhh
• VMWare
• Drikhh - everywhere!
• https://github.com/dirkhh

Picks:

Aimee

• De Contact 
• Dodow 

Dirk

• Track This Critical Thinking

Charles

• Nicholas Zakas - Books 

Corey

• Fun Fun Function Show

Joe

• Dice Forge
• Concept of empathy

Panel: 

Charles Max Wood

Guest: Kassandra Perch

This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Kassandra Perch. Kassandra is a return guest from JavaScript Jabber episode 197. Kassandra is a developer relations engineer for IOpipe, that does AWS Lambda monitoring and visibility in the server-less space. 

Kassandra talks about her journey into program through game sharks or programming game cartridges. Also, furthering her interest in programming was taking computer science courses in college, and getting a part-time job in the technology field during college while networking. Kassandra shares her favorite contributions to javascript and open source projects. 

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• How did you get into programming? Game Sharks
• Game Cartridges
• Austin Meetup Group and JavaScript
• Working in the open source community 
• College courses
• Contributions - Nodebotanist 
• Interest in education  and being autistic 
• Child of a teacher 
• Serving the community 
• Helping people with projects 
• IOT - Internet of Things
• Building Robots
• Serverless 
• What are you working on now? 
• AVR Girl
• and much, much more!

Links: 

• https://www.iopipe.com
• https://github.com/nodebotanist
• https://github.com/noopkat/avrgirl
• http://johnny-five.io
• IOpipe

Picks

Kassandra

• Sue Hitten
• Johnny 5 
• Serverless Framework 

Charles 

• VS Code Azure pluggin 
• Serverless Framework
• Amanda Silver interview 
• More VS Code Interviews on Dev Chat TV

Panel: 

Charles Max Wood

Joe Eames

Aimee Knight

Special Guests: Russell Goldenberg and Adam Pearce

In this episode, JavaScript Jabber panelist speak with Russell Goldenberg and Adam Pearce Russell creates visualizations, interactive graphics, and documentaries for the web. Currently an editor at The Pudding.  Adam is a graphics editor at The New York Times and a journalist engineers/developer  Russell and Adam are on the show to talk about what Scrollytelling is, as well as Scrollama. Scrollama is a modern and lightweight JavaScript library for scrollytelling using IntersectionObserver in favor of scroll events. This is a great episode to understand another technology/tool created with JavaScript.

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• What is Scrollytelling!
• Graph Scroll library
• What is the intersection Observerable?
• How long does it take to build an interactive graphic…?
• How do you test something like this?
• Test on a lot of different devices
• Can you do automated testing?
• Do you have to understand the use cases or can you implement quickly?
• Recommendation for getting started?
• Is this a skill set people have to have before that some on board?
• How do design these interactions?
• Scroll jacking
• What JS developers should know about this technology.
• Position sticky
• What are other uses cases?
• What can devs use it for?
• Tax calculator
• And much more!

Links:

•  
• https://github.com/russellgoldenberg/scrollama
• https://pudding.cool/process/introducing-scrollama/
• @codenberg
• @adamrpearce
• https://pudding.cool/
• http://russellgoldenberg.github.io
• https://github.com/1wheel?direction=desc&sort=created&tab=stars
• https://roadtolarissa.com

Picks:

Adam

• Dominion - Broad Game

Charles

• Smoker
• Tiny Epic Galaxies
• Indiegogo Dev Chat TV

Aimee

• Deadlines
• Quest Protein Powder

Joe

• Giving!
• Board Game - Azul

Russel

• Crokinole
• Bust Out

Panel:

• Charles Max Wood
• Aimee Knight
• AJ ONeal
• Joe Eames

Special Guests: Henry Zhu

In this episode, the JavaScript Jabber panel talks to Henry Zhu about Babel and open source software. Henry is one of the maintainers on Babel, which is a JavaScript compiler, and recently left this job to work on doing open source full time as well as working on Babel. They talk about where Babel is today, what it actually is, and his focus on his open source career. They also touch on how he got started in open source, his first PR, and more!

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• Henry intro
• Babel update
• Sebastian McKenzie was the original creator of Babel
• Has learned a lot about being a maintainer
• What is Babel?
• JavaScript compiler
• You never know who your user is
• Has much changed with Babel since Sebastian left?
• Working on open source
• How did you get started in pen source?
• The ability to learn a lot from open source
• Atrocities of globalization
• More decentralization from GitHub
• Gitea and GitLab
• Gitea installer
• Open source is more closed now
• His first PR
• JSCS
• Auto-fixing
• Prettier
• Learning more about linting
• You don’t have to have formal training to be successful
• Codefund.io
• Sustainability of open source
• And much, much more!

Links:

• Babel
• JavaScript
• Gitea
• GitLab
• Gitea installer
• Prettier
• Codefund.io
• @left_pad
• Henry’s GitHub
• henryzoo.com
• Henry’s Patreon

Sponsors

• Kendo UI
• Sentry
• Digital Ocean

Picks:

Charles

• Orphan Black
• Crucial Accountability by Kerry Patterson

Aimee

• Desk with cubby holes for cats
• The Key to Good Luck Is an Open Mind blog post

AJ

• Gitea
• Gitea installer
• Greenlock

Joe

• Solo
• Justified

Henry

• Celeste
• Zeit Day talks

Sponsors

• Datadog  

• Sentry use code “devchat” for 2 months free

Panel

• Aimee Knight

• AJ O’Neal

• Charles Max Wood

With Special Guest: Rene Rubalcava

Episode Summary

Rene is a software developer for ESRI and works in spatial and mapping software. ESRI has been around since 1969 and has seen their work explode since they shifted to providing address and location services. Rene talks about how he thinks about location and mapping when building software around it and things that he has to approach in unique ways. The panel discusses some of their past experiences with location software. Some of the most difficult aspects of this software is changing time zones for data and actually mapping the Earth, since it is not flat nor a perfect sphere. Rene talks about the different models used for mapping the Earth.

Most mapping systems use the same algorithm as Google maps, so Rene talks about some of the specific features of ArcGIS, including the ability to finding a point within a polygon. Rene talks about what routing is, its importance, and how it is being optimized with ArcGIS, such as being able to add private streets into a regular street network.

The panel discusses how the prevalence of smartphones has changed mapping and GPS and some of their concerns with privacy and location mapping. One thing ESRI is very careful about is not storing private information. Rene talks about the kinds of things he has seen people doing with the mapping and location data provided by ArcGIS, including a Smart Mapping feature for developers, mapping planets, indoor routing, and 3D models. 

Links

• Webricate 

• Esri

• ArcGIS

Follow DevChat on Facebook and Twitter

Picks

Rene Rubalcava:

• Old Man’s War series

• Always Be My Maybe

• Rene’s website

AJ O’Neal:

• INTL

• Colorful

• Time zones in Postgress

• Time zones in JavaScript

Aimee Knight:

• Advice to Less Experienced Developers

Charles Max Wood:

• Heber Half Marathon

• Netlify CMS

• Villainous

• Firefox

Carl Mungazi is a frontend developer at Limejump in London. He is a former journalist and switched to programming in 2016. Today the panel is discussing the benefits of reading source code. Carl began reading source code because he came into programming late and from a different field. His first project was with Mithril, and he read the source code and documentation to help him understand it. The panelists discuss how reading the source code has helped them and others to improve their coding. They compare reading and understanding source code to learning a foreign language, and discuss  different methods. 

Carl gives some suggestions for reading source code effectively. He advises people to be patient and step through the code. Accept that you will probably take a wrong path at some point or another, but the more you read, the more you will see patterns in how libraries are structured. He also encourages listeners to approach the authors, as they are often happy to lend a hand. Reading source code is an active approach of stepping through, debugging, putting in break points, checking the stack, and so forth. It’s also important to do outside research. 

Since he has been reading source code, Carl has come to prefer plain JavaScript and libraries with as little code as possible. The panel discusses the benefits of small, simple libraries. Carl gives examples of techniques that he learned from reading a library source code and how he applied it to his own coding style. Reading source code has made him more careful about mixing logic and UI, and now he separates them. He also is more confident in seeing a problem, going to a preexisting library, and just importing the fix for that problem rather than the whole library. Reading source code is really about understanding the code you use in your project. It may slow you down, but you’ll be thankful in the long term because it will help you solve future bugs more efficiently. Carl talks more about his debugging process. He still relies on a debugger, but reading a library helps you to see patterns and guess the output of a function. These patterns persist in other libraries as well. Once you can guess correctly what will happen, you go back to reading the code and find instances where the output is unexpected, and fix it. Carl’s closing thoughts are that through reading source code, he has learned that although code is used differently in each library, they are all written in the same language, and therefore interrelated. This gave him more confidence in reading code because they’re all fundamentally the same. When a bug is discovered, he encourages listeners to look at the source code before googling a solution. 

Panelists

• AJ O’Neal

• Dan Shapir

• Steve Edwards

• Charles Max Wood

Guest

• Carl Mungazi

Sponsors

• Hasura.io 

• Sentry | Use the code “devchat” for $100 credit

• Adventures in Angular

Links

• Mithril.js

• Preact

• Limejump

Picks

AJ O’Neal

• Zen of Python

• The Go Proverbs

• Go with Versions

• Link’s Awakening soundtrack

Dan Shapir

• Programming Pearls book

• Lord of Light

Steve Edwards

• Jabra Elite 65T

Charles Max Wood

• Garth Brooks

• The Rocky movies

Carl Mungazi

• Follow Carl @CarlMungazi and carlmungazi.com

• EcmaScript Spec

• HTML 5.2

• Snarky Puppy

Today the panel is discussing iterating on open source projects. Aimee and AJ recall a conversation they had in the past on this subject and AJ talks about some of his experience iterating with open source. AJ believes that we have an obligation to capture the value of what you create so that we can reinvest and create more value, though he admits that making money in open source is a unique challenge because donations only really work if you have a project that gets billions of downloads a month. As your project grows, it has to change in order to survive, and eventually you will need to get financial support from your project. The panel agrees that some of the main issues with iterating in open source are maintaining the code and getting feedback from users, financial backing, and roadmapping and integrations.

The panel discusses their methods for getting feedback from their users. This feedback is valuable because it can show you things that you missed. They acknowledge that there can be conflicts of interest between those who only use the project and those who financially support it, and you have to make a choice. Unfortunately, someone is probably going to be inconvenienced no matter what choice you make. When making these decisions, you have to consider who it helps, who it frustrates, and who it may cause problems for. The panelists talk about different ways they’ve handled making these decisions in the past. The JavaScript experts talk about the importance of having data on your user base in order to make good choices for your users. They talk about different methods for notifying your users of upcoming changes and how it will affect compatibility, and some of the challenges with communicating with your users. AJ talks about an iteration he thought was a good idea but that a lot of people hated and how he noticed that the new users liked it but the old users did not. They panel agrees that people in general don’t like change. AJ talks about what he learned from this experience. 

Another common issue is integrating with other services. Integrating with cloud services, or at least giving people the option to integrate gives you an opportunity to reach more people and maintain the project long term. AJ gives some final thoughts to close the show, namely that most projects never go anywhere, and that’s ok. If you’ve got something that starts going somewhere, think early on about how you can better serve the community and remember that these people are mostly grateful and semi-willing to support you. He believes that if you are helping people create value, you deserve to see the fruits of your labor. He advises listeners to stay true to your open source ideals, think about your users perspective, and that the earlier you can think about this and make these choices, the better it is for your project

Panelists

• Aimee Knight

• Steve Edwards

• AJ O’Neal

• Charles Max Wood

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Links

• How-npm-am-i

• React

• Vue.js

• Let’s Encrypt

• Async/await

• Node

Picks

Aimee Knight:

• Debug Like a Ninja

Steve Edwards:

• Jack Ryan 

AJ O’Neal:

• Why I, as a black man, attend KKK meetings

Charles Max Wood:

• It’s a Wonderful Life

• Mr. Kreuger’s Christmas