International Heavy Minerals Conference (3rd. : 2001 : Fremantle, Western Australia)

Mill Operators' Conference (7th : 2000 : Kalgoorlie, Western Australia)

Nickel/Cobalt Pressure Leaching & Hydrometallurgy Forum (1997 : Perth, W.A.)

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Tantalite Limited

Ruhmer, Walter Theodore

Rodriguez, Esther

Barmi, Maryam Jozegholami, author

PHC, village secretariats identified for quarantine facility

The Central Committee of the Organisation for Protection of Democratic Rights (OPDR) has demanded a judicial probe by a sitting Supreme Court judge in

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The panelists discuss testing JavaScript with Joe Eames

Panel Toby Ho (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Aaron Frost (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion 00:53 - Aaron Frost Introduction Domo 1.21 Gigawatts - Chromeapps with Angularjs and Node (Aaron Frost and Dave Geddes) 02:45 - Toby Ho Introduction testem Toby Ho - Testem: Interactive JS Test Runner Toby Ho: Better TDD Workflow via Exclusive Tests in Jasmine and Mocha 03:06 - testem Autotest guard Jasmine Mocha QUnit Buster.JS PhantomJS node.js 04:43 - Integration Tests 038 JSJ Jasmine with Justin Searls capybara 06:32 - guard 07:49 - The testem UI node-charm 09:55 - The Browser Launcher 11:40 - CI Mode Jenkins TeamCity 12:27 - Is it a Global Installer? npm 13:39 - Workflow Grub Filtering testem.json/testem.yml Devmode Exclusive Tests in Mocha Karma .only Console Logging 21:27 - Debugging Git Hooks Minification 25:25 - testem vs Karma AngularJS 28:08 - Testing JavaScript Jasmine Mocha QUnit 29:50 - Browsers Chrome 30:54 - Configurations 32:11 - Contributors Jake Verbaten (Raynos) Derek Brans Justin Searls David Mosher lineman 33:33 - Grunt.js grunt-testem 35:09 - Testing & TDD Bryan Liles: TATFT - Test All the F***in Time Picks The Rithmatist by Brandon Sanderson (Joe) Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Aaron) Amazon Prime (Chuck) Big Bang Theory (Chuck) HandBrake (Chuck) Rails Conf 2013 The Magic Tricks of Testing by Sandi Metz (Toby) Giles Bowkett - Secrets Of Superstar Programmer Productivity: Flow (Toby) Book Club JavaScript Allongé with Reginald Braithwaite!  He will join us for an episode to discuss the book on August 1st. The episode will air on August 9th. Next Week ES Next with Aaron Frost Transcript [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at BlueBox.net.]  [This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]  CHUCK:  Hey everybody, and welcome to Episode 67 of the JavaScript Jabber Show. This week on our panel, we have Joe Eames. JOE:  Hey there. CHUCK:  We also have Aaron Frost filling in for us. AARON:  Hello. CHUCK:  And we have a special guest and that is Toby Ho. TOBY:  Hi everyone. CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.TV. Guys, why don’t we have you introduce yourselves really quick? Let’s start with you, Aaron. AARON:  Okay. So, I’m a frontend developer at Domo. JOE:  Open-source evangelist. AARON:  Well, you can call me whatever you want. [Laughter] AARON:  I’ve worked here for a few months. I love it. I’m writing a book on the next version of ECMAScript and a dad with three kids. So yeah, that’s me. JOE:  Aaron’s too modest. He’s also a big-time conference speaker. He’s a regular presenter at local user groups. And like I said before, he’s one of our evangelists, so he was hired as a really high-level frontend engineer here at Domo to help us take our JavaScript and frontend work into the next level, really. CHUCK:  Yeah, I also showed up late to a workshop that he was putting on using Node and Twilio and that was pretty cool. JOE:  Yeah, that thing has been the bomb. Also, Aaron’s presentation at Fluent Conf with Dave Geddes was apparently the hit of the entire show, the best received. The organizer said he thought it was definitely one of the best presentations done at Fluent Conf. AARON:  Yeah. They said it was the most entertaining and Simon said he wished we could cut it down in ten minutes and that they had made us keynote, because it was pretty fun. We had a lot of fun with it. CHUCK:  Cool. JOE:  Yeah, it’s up on YouTube. We’ll put links in the show notes. It’s really great.

Pete Hodgson crosses over from the iPhreaks podcasts to talk with the Jabber gang about testing asynchronous Javascript with promises.

The panelists discuss changes in the npm package manager with Forrest Norvell, Rebecca Turner, Ben Coe, and Isaac Z. Schlueter.

The Panelists talk to the creator of the Smallest Federated Wiki, Ward Cunningham.

The panelists talk to Jenn Schiffer about using art to get and keep people interested in programming.

02:20 - Zach Kessin Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Zach's Books
• Parrot
• JavaScript Jabber: Episode #057: Functional Programming with Zach Kessin
• Testing Erlang With Quickcheck Book

04:00 - Mostly Erlang Podcast

05:27 - Property-based Testing (QuickCheck)

07:22 - Property-based Testing and Functional Programming

• jsverify

09:48 - Pure Functions

• Shrinking

18:09 - Boundary Cases

20:00 - Generating the Data

23:23 - Trending Concepts in JavaScript

32:33 - How Property-based Testing Fits in with Other Kind of Testing

35:57 - Test Failures

Panel

Nolan Lawson: Taming the asynchronous beast with ES7 (Aimee)
Nodevember (Aimee)
Hipster Sound (Jamison)
Om Next by David Nolen  (Jamison)
Gallant - Weight In Gold (Jamison)
React Rally (Jamison)
Better Off Ted (Joe)
Armada: A Novel by Ernest Cline (Joe)
Testing Erlang With Quickcheck Book (Zach)
Parrot Universal Notification Interface (Zach)
The Famine of Men by Richard H. Kessin (Zach)

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02:28 - Forrest Norvell Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub

02:37 - Rebecca Turner Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog

03:05 - Why npm 3 Exists and Changes in npm 2 => 3

• Debugging
• Life Cycle Ordering
• Deduplication

08:36 - Housekeeping

09:47 - Peer Dependency Changes

• The Singleton Pattern

15:38 - The Rewrite Process and How That Enabled Some of the Changes Coming Out

• CJ Silverio: Npm registry deep dive @ Oneshot Oslo

22:50 - shrinkwrapping

27:00 - Other Breaking Changes?

• Permissions

30:40 - Tiny Jewels

33:24 - Why Rewrite?

36:00 - npm’s Focus on the Front End

• Bower
• npm Roadmap

42:04 - Transitioning to npm 3

42:54 - Installing npm 3

44:11 - Packaging with io.js and Node.js

45:16 - Being in Beta

Picks

Slack List (Aimee)
Perceived Performance Fluent Conf Talks (Aimee)
Paul Irish: How Users Perceive the Speed of The Web Keynote @ Fluent 2015 (Aimee)
Subsistence Farming (AJ)
Developer On Fire Episode 017 - Charles Max Wood - Get Involved and Try New Things (Chuck)
Elevator Saga (Chuck)
BrazilJS (Forrest)
NodeConf Brazil (Forrest)
For quick testing: `npm init -y`, configure init (Forrest)
Where Can I Put Your Cheese? (Or What to Expect From npm@3) @ Boston Ember, May 2015 (Rebecca)
Open Source & Feelings Conference (Rebecca)
bugs [npm Documentation] (Rebecca)
docs [npm Documentation] (Rebecca)
repo [npm Documentation] (Rebecca)

React Remote Conf and Angular Remote Conf

03:15 - Justin Searls Introduction

• Twitter
• GitHub
• Blog
• Test Double
• JavaScript Jabber Episode #038: Jasmine with Justin Searls

04:13 - Testing

• testdouble.js
• teenytest
• Sinon.JS

08:44 - Mocking

• Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Tests by Steve Freeman and Nat Pryce
• Jim Weirich

14:45 - Starting These Concepts as a Junior Developer

• Test-driven Development

17:55 - testdouble.js vs. sinon.js

• NIH = Not Invented Here

26:39 - Duck Typing, Monkey Patching, Duck Punching

32:22 - Node.js Negativity

• Design, Resources
  • Martin Fowler’s Refactoring and Patterns Books
  • Domain-Driven Design: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software by Eric Evans

42:52 - Community

45:08 - The AAA Rule: Arrange, Act, Assert

51:19 - Error Messages

Picks

• Unemployment (Jamison)
• React Rally (Jamison)
• Julia Evans' Tweet: how to be a wizard programmer  (Jamison)
• See the good in people (Aimee)
• Sinon.JS (Joe)
• How to Stay Motivated: Developing the Qualities of Success by Zig Ziglar (Chuck)
• The Harry Potter Series (Chuck)
• RetroPie (Justin)
• How Elm can Make you a Better JavaScript Programer (Justin)
• NEJS Conf (Justin)

Panel:

Amy Knight

Charles Max Wood

Special Guests: 

Nick Disabato

In this episode, Java Script Jabbers talk with Nick Disabato. Nick is a newbie to JavaScript Jabber. Nick is the founder of Draft, an interaction design agency where he does research driven A/B testing of E-commerce business.

This is a practical episode for those who are running a business and doing marketing for the products and services. Nick talks about A/B testing for a number scenarios within the company, such as for websites, funnels, and various marketing mechanisms. Nick further goes into how this helps companies strategically increase revenue by changing things such as websites design or building funnels.

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• Testing of changes of Copy, Websites, etc.
• What does it mean of changes, Tools, Framework, Plugins, etc
• Does it matter what tools you use? Framework that works within your stack
• How do make we company money
• Researching for the next test
• Testing for conversion rate to decide which design to go implement - Variant
• Responsibility for the designs
• Feature and getting pay for the service
• Learn more about the resources and Copy Hackers
• Large organization or developers, or a QA department
• Optimization teams
• Usability tests and coming up with A/B tests
• Expertise
• Why should be care?
• And much more!

Links:

Draft

Nick Disabato

@nickd

ConversionXL

AB Testing Manual

Wider Funnels 

Copy Hackers

Picks:

Amiee

• Nodevember 

Charles

• Mike Gehard 
• Admin LTE

Nick

• HotJar.com

Panel: 

Charles Max Wood

Aimee Knight

Corey House

AJ O'Neal

Special Guests: Ben Coe, Aaron Abramov, and Issac Schleuter

In this episode, the JavaScript Jabber panelists talk with Ben Coe, Aaron Abramov, and Issac Schleuter about test coverage and testing tools. They talk about the different tools and libraries that they have contributed to the coding community, such as NYC, conf, and Jest. They also discuss what test coverage is actually about and when using test coverage tools is necessary.

In particular, we dive pretty deep on:

• What have you contributed to the testing tools community?
• npm
• NYC tool and instanbul project
• conf
• Jest
• These libraries were developed to be easy and have “batteries included”
• False positives with test coverage
• Encourage testing practices that don’t practice in a superficial way
• Test coverage is about making sure you test every state a public API can get into
• Think through the test you’re writing first
• Barriers against testing
• Don’t spike the code too quickly
• Provides guardrails for newer developers to contribute to open source projects
• Use tests to understand the system
• How to spend your time better
• When you need tests
• Value is very short term
• TDD
• And much, much more!

Links:

• @BenjaminCoe
• @AaronAbramov_
• Issac’s GitHub

Picks:

Charles

• React Roundup
• Views on Vue
• Adventures in Angular
• React Dev Summit 2018

Aimee

• Galentine’s Day
• Dnote CLI

AJ

• The Hero of Ages by Brandon Sanderson

Corey

• We are hive project guidelines
• Tip: You can install node as a dependency on your project

Ben

• Hack Illinois 2018
• C8

Aaron

• Reason

Issac

• The Tap 100
• Krypton App
• Friendly Fire Podcasts

Panel:

• AJ O’Neal
• Aimee Knight
• Joe Eames
• Charles Max Wood

Special Guests: Vitali Zaidman

In this episode, the panel talks with programmer, Vitali Zaidman, who is working with Software Solutions Company. He researches technologies and starts new projects all the time, and looks at these new technologies within the market. The panel talks about testing JavaScript in 2018 and Jest.

Show Topics:

1:32 – Chuck: Let’s talk about testing JavaScript in 2018.

1:53 – Vitali talks about solving problems in JavaScript.

2:46 – Chuck asks Vitali a question.

3:03 – Vitali’s answer.

3:30 – Why Jest? Why not Mocha or these other programs?

3:49 – Jest is the best interruption of what testing should look like and the best practice nowadays. There are different options, they can be better, but Jest has this great support from their community. There are great new features.

4:31 – Chuck to Joe: What are you using for testing nowadays?

4:43 – Joe: I use Angular, primarily.

6:01 – Like life, it’s sometimes easier to use things that make things very valuable.

7:55 – Aimee: I have heard great things about Cypress, but at work we are using another program.

8:22 – Vitali: Check out my article.

8:51 – Aimee: There are too many problems with the program that we use at work.

9:39 – Panelist to Vitali: I read your article, and I am a fan. Why do you pick Test Café over Cypress, and how familiar are you with Cypress? What about Selenium and other programs?

10:12 – Vitali: “Test Café and Cypress are competing head-to-head.”

Listen to Vitali’s suggestions and comments per the panelists’ question at this timestamp.

11:25 – Chuck: I see that you use sign-on...

12:29 – Aimee: Can you talk about Puppeteer? It seems promising.

12:45 – Vitali: Yes, Puppeteer is promising. It’s developed by Google and by Chrome. You don’t want to use all of your tests in Puppeteer, because it will be really hard to do in other browsers.

13:26: Panelist: “...5, 6, 7, years ago it was important of any kind of JavaScript testing you had no idea if it worked in one browser and it not necessarily works in another browser. That was 10 years ago. Is multiple browsers testing as important then as it is now?

14:51: Vitali answers the above question.

15:30 – Aimee: If it is more JavaScript heavy then it could possibly cause more problems.

15:56 – Panelist: I agree with this.

16:02 – Vitali continues this conversation with additional comments.

16:17 – Aimee: “I see that Safari is the new Internet Explorer.”

16:23: Chuck: “Yes, you have to know your audience. Are they using older browsers? What is the compatibility?”

17:01 – Vitali: There are issues with the security. Firefox has a feature of tracking protection; something like that.

17:33 – Question to Vitali by Panelist.

17:55 – Vitali answers the question.

18:30 – Panelist makes additional comments.

18:43 – If you use Safari, you reap what you sow.

18:49 – Chuck: I use Chrome on my iPhone. (Aimee does, too.) Sometimes I wind up in Safari by accident.

19:38 – Panelist makes comments.

19:52 – Vitali tells a funny story that relates to this topic.

20:45 – There are too many standards out there.

21:05 – Aimee makes comments.

21:08 – Brutalist Web Design. Some guy has this site – Brutalist Web Design – where he says use basic stuff and stop being so custom. Stop using the web as some crazy platform, and if your site is a website that can be scrolled through, that’s great. It needs to be just enough for people to see your content.

22:16 – Aimee makes additional comments about this topic of Brutalist Web Design.

22:35 – Panelist: I like it when people go out and say things like that.

22:45 – Here is the point, though. There is a difference between a website and a web application. Really the purpose is to read an article.

23:37 – Vitali chimes in.

24:01 – Back to the topic of content on websites.

25:17 – Panelist: Medium is very minimal. Medium doesn’t feel like an application.

26:10 – Is the website easy enough for the user to scroll through and get the content like they want to?

26:19 – Advertisement.

27:22 – See how far off the topic we got?

27:31 – These are my favorite conversations to have.

27:39 – Vitali: Let’s talk about how my article got so popular. It’s an interesting thing, I started researching “testing” for my company. We wanted to implement one of the testing tools. Instead of creating a presentation, I would write first about it in Medium to get feedback from the community as well. It was a great decision, because I got a lot of comments back. I enjoyed the experience, too. Just write about your problem in Medium to see what people say.

28:48 – Panelist: You put a ton of time and energy in this article. There are tons of links. Did you really go through all of those articles?

29:10 – Yes, what are the most permanent tools? I was just reading through a lot of comments and feedback from people. I tested the tools myself, too!

29:37 – Panelist: You broke down the article, and it’s a 22-minute read.

30:09 – Vitali: I wrote the article for my company, and they ad to read it.

30:24 – Panelist: Spending so much time – you probably felt like it was apart of your job.

30:39 – Vitali: I really like creating and writing. It was rally amazing for me and a great experience. I feel like I am talented in this area because I write well and fast. I wanted to express myself.

31:17 – Did you edit and review?

31:23 – Vitali: I wrote it by myself and some friends read it. There were serious mistakes, and that’s okay I am not afraid of mistakes. This way you get feedback.

32:10 – Chuck: “Some people see testing in JavaScript, and people look at this and say there are so much here. Is there a place where people can start, so that way they don’t’ get too overwhelmed? Is there a way to ease into this and take a bite-size at a time?”

32:52 – Vitali: “Find something that works for them. Read the article and start writing code.”

He continues this conversation from here on out.

34:03 – Chuck continues to ask questions and add other comments.

34:16 – Vitali chimes-in. 

34:38 – Chuck. 

34:46 – Vitali piggybacks off of Chuck’s comments.

36:14 – Panelist: Let’s go back to Jest. There is a very common occurrence where we see lots of turn and we see ideas like this has become the dominant or the standard, a lot of people talk about stuff within this community. Then we get this idea that ‘this is the only thing that is happening.’ Transition to jQuery to React to... With that context do you feel like Jest will be a dominant program? Are we going to see Jest used just as common as Mocha and other popular programs?

38:15 – Vitali comments on the panelist’s question.

38:50 – Panelist: New features. Are the features in Jest (over Jasmine, Mocha, etc.) so important that it will drive people to it by itself?

40:30 – Vitali comments on this great question.

40:58 – Panelist asks questions about features about Jest.

41:29 – Vitali talks about this topic.

42:14 – Let’s go to picks!

42:14 – Advertisement.

Links:

• Vitali Zaidman’s Facebook
• Vitali Zaidman’s Medium
• Vitali Zaidman’s GitHub
• Vitali Zaidman’s NPM
• Vitali Zaidman’s LinkedIn
• Vitali Zaidman’s Medium Article
• JavaScript
• Brutalist Web Design
• Jasmine
• Cypress
• React
• jQuery
• Jest
• Protractor – end to end testing for Angular
• Test Café
• Intern
• Sinon
• XKCD

Sponsors:

• Kendo UI
• Sentry
• Digital Ocean
• Cache Fly

Picks:

AJ O’Neal

• Continuous from last week’s episode: Crossing the Chasm – New Technologies from Niche to General Adaptation.
• Go Lang

Joe Eames

• Board Game: Rajas of the Ganges
• Framework Summit Conference in Utah
• React Conference

Aimee Knight

• Hacker News – “Does Software Understand Complexity” via Michael Feathers
• Cream City Code

Chuck

• E-Book: How do I get a job?
• Express VPN

Vitali

• Book: The Square and The Tower: Networks and Power, from the Freemasons to Facebook by Niall Ferguson
• My article!

Panel:

• Aimee Knight
• AJ O’Neal
• Charles Max Wood

Special Guest: Gil Tayar

In this episode, the panel talks with Gil Tayar who is currently residing in Tel Aviv and is a software engineer. He is currently the Senior Architect at Applitools in Israel. The panel and the guest talk about the different types of tests and when/how one is to use a certain test in a particular situation. They also mention Node, React, Selenium, Puppeteer, and much more!

Show Topics:

0:00 – Advertisement: KENDO UI

0:35 – Chuck: Our panel is AJ, Aimee, myself – and our special guest is Gil Tayar. Tell us why you are famous!

1:13 – Gil talks about where he resides and his background. 

2:27 – Chuck: What is the landscape like now with testing and testing tools now?

2:39 – Guest: There is a huge renaissance with the JavaScript community. Testing has moved forward in the frontend and backend. Today we have lots of testing tools.  We can do frontend testing that wasn’t possible 5 years ago. The major change was React.

The guest talks about Node, React, tools, and more!

4:17 – Aimee: I advocate for tests and testing. There is a grey area though...how do you treat that? If you have to get something into production, but it’s not THE thing to get into production, does that fall into product or...what?

5:02 – Guest: We decided to test everything in the beginning. We actually cam through and did that and since then I don’t think I can use the right code without testing. There are a lot of different situations, though, to consider.

The guest gives hypothetical situations that people could face.

6:27 – Aimee.

6:32 – Guest: The horror to changing code without tests, I don’t know, I haven’t done that for a while. You write with fear in your heart. Your design is driven by fear, and not what you think is right. In the beginning don’t write those tests, but...

7:22 – Aimee: I totally agree and I could go on and on and on.

7:42 – Panel: I want to do tests when I know they will create value. I don’t want to do it b/c it’s a mundane thing. Secondly, I find that some times I am in a situation where I cannot write the test b/c I would have to know the business logic is correct. I am in this discovery mode of what is the business logic? I am not just building your app.

I guess I just need advice in this area, I guess.

8:55 – Guest gives advice to panelist’s question. He mentions how there are two schools of thought.

10:20 – Guest: Don’t mock too much.

10:54 – Panel: Are unit tests the easiest? I just reach for unit testing b/c it helps me code faster. But 90% of my code is NOT that.

11:18 – Guest: Exactly! Most of our test is glue – gluing together a bunch of different stuff! Those are best tested as a medium-sized integration suite.

12:39 – Panel: That seems like a lot of work, though! I loathe the database stuff b/c they don’t map cleanly. I hate this database stuff.

13:06 – Guest: I agree, but don’t knock the database, but knock the level above the database.

13:49 – Guest: Yes, it takes time! Building the script and the testing tools, but when you have it then adding to it is zero time. Once you are in the air it’s smooth sailing.

14:17 – Panel: I guess I can see that. I like to do the dumb-way the first time. I am not clear on the transition.

14:47 – Guest: Write the code, and then write the tests.

The guest gives a hypothetical situation on how/when to test in a certain situation.

16:25 – Panel: Can you talk about that more, please?

16:50 – Guest: Don’t have the same unit – do browser and business logic stuff separated. The real business logic stuff needs to be above that level. First principle is separation of concerns.

18:04 – Panel talks about dependency interjection and asks a question.

18:27 – Guest: What I am talking about very, very light inter-dependency interjection.

19:19 – Panel: You have a main function and you are doing requires in the main function. You are passing the pieces of that into the components that need it.

19:44 – Guest: I only do it when it’s necessary; it’s not a religion for me. I do it only for those layers that I know will need to be mocked; like database layers, etc.

20:09 – Panel.

20:19 – Guest: It’s taken me 80 years to figure out, but I have made plenty of mistakes a long the way. A test should run for 2-5 minutes max for package.

20:53 – Panel: What if you have a really messy legacy system? How do you recommend going into that? Do you write tests for things that you think needs to get tested?

21:39 – Guest answers the question and mentions Selenium!

24:27 – Panel: I like that approach.

24:35 – Chuck: When you say integration test what do you mean?

24:44 – Guest: Integration tests aren’t usually talked about. For most people it’s tests that test the database level against the database. For me, the integration tests are taking a set of classes as they are in the application and testing them together w/o the...so they can run in millisecond time.

26:54 – Advertisement – Sentry.io

27:52 – Chuck: How much do the tools matter?

28:01 – Guest: The revolutions matter. Whether you use Jasmine or Mocha or whatever I don’t think it matters. The tests matter not the tools.

28:39 – Aimee: Yes and no. I think some tools are outdated.

28:50 – Guest: I got a lot of flack about my blog where I talk about Cypress versus Selenium. I will never use Jasmine. In the end it’s the

29:29 – Aimee: I am curious would you be willing to expand on what the Selenium folks were saying about Puppeteer and others may not provide?

29:54 – Guest: Cypress was built for frontend developers. They don’t care about cross browser, and they tested in Chrome. Most browsers are typically the same. Selenium was built with the QA mindset – end to end tests that we need to do cross browser.

The guest continues with this topic.

30:54 – Aimee mentions Cypress.

31:08 – Guest: My guessing is that their priority is not there. I kind of agree with them.

31:21 – Aimee: I think they are focusing on mobile more.

31:24 – Guest: I think cross browser testing is less of an issue now. There is one area that is important it’s the visual area! It’s important to test visually across these different browsers.

32:32 – Guest: Selenium is a Swiss knife – it can do everything.

33:32 – Chuck: I am thinking about different topics to talk about. I haven’t used Puppeteer. What’s that about?

33:49 – Guest: Puppeteer is much more like Selenium. The reason why it’s great is b/c Puppeteer will always be Google Chrome.

35:42 – Chuck: When should you be running your tests? I like to use some unit tests when I am doing my development but how do you break that down?

36:06 – Guest.

38:30 – Chuck: You run tests against production?

38:45 – Guest: Don’t run tests against production...let me clarify!

39:14 – Chuck.

39:21 – Guest: When I am talking about integration testing in the backend...

40:37 – Chuck asks a question.

40:47 – Guest: I am constantly running between frontend and backend.

I didn’t know how to run tests for frontend. I had to invent a new thing and I “invented” the package JS DONG. It’s an implementation of Dong in Node. I found out that I wasn’t the only one and that there were others out there, too.

43:14 – Chuck: Nice! You talked in the prep docs that you urged a new frontend developer to not run the app in the browser for 2 months?

43:25 – Guest: Yeah, I found out that she was running the application...she said she knew how to write tests. I wanted her to see it my way and it probably was a radical train-of-thought, and that was this...

44:40 – Guest: Frontend is so visual.

45:12 – Chuck: What are you working on now?

45:16 – Guest: I am working with Applitools and I was impressed with what they were doing.

The guest goes into further detail.

46:08 – Guest: Those screenshots are never the same.

48:36 – Panel: It’s...comparing the output to the static site to the...

48:50 – Guest: Yes, that static site – if you have 30 pages in your app – most of those are the same. We have this trick where we don’t upload it again and again. Uploading the whole static site is usually very quick. The second thing is we don’t wait for the results. We don’t wait for the whole rendering and we continue with the tests.

50:28 – Guest: I am working mostly (right now) in backend.

50:40 – Chuck: Anything else? Picks!

50:57 – Advertisement: Get A Coder Job!

END – Advertisement: CacheFly!

Links:

• JavaScript
• React
• Elixir
• Node.js
• Puppeteer
• Cypress
• SeleniumHQ
• Article – Ideas.Ted.Com
• Book: Never Split the Difference
• Applitools
• Guest’s Blog Article about Cypress vs. Selenium
• Gil’s Twitter
• Gil’s Medium
• Gil’s LinkedIn

Sponsors:

• Kendo UI
• Sentry
• CacheFly

Picks:

Aimee

• How Showing Vulnerability Helps Build a Stronger Team

AJ

• Never Split the Difference
• Project - TeleBit

Charles

• Monster Hunter International
• Metabase

Gil

• Cat Zero
• The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

Daniel Caldas is calling from Singapore. He currently works as a software engineer for Zendesk and has also worked in Portugal and Germany. He has worked primarily on the frontend with Node and JavaScript. He talks about his experience testing JavaScript, how he got started with Jest, and why he likes it. Daniel finds Jest very easy to use and straightforward. He likes that  Jest has a single reference page for documentation. He feels that Jest is largely complete out of the box and has only made a small add on to get rid of Boilerplate in some tests.

Daniel explains what a snapshot, how they work, and why he prefers fixtures over factories. He gives tips on how to set up your tests so that they are easy to follow. He finds it helps to structure your scenarios in the fixture description. He talks about gotchas in Jest. While Jest is largely easy to use, Jest has been around for a while and breaking changes do happen. It’s important to check what version your code base is using. While there are a lot of free sources around Jest online, he advises listeners to stick as close to the official documentation as possible, or to people associated with Jest, and to read recent stuff. As for conventions, Jest has pretty much everything out of the box and the built in conventions make it easy to navigate any project that uses Jest.

Daniel talks about some of the features available in Jest, converting observables into promises, and tricks he has used to make tests easier to put together. He talks about his method for keeping his mocks and stubs straight. He advises listeners to have some organizational rules, such as starting the imports alphabetically, and to always follow those rules. He talks about how he runs tests and what environments he uses. While Jest is normally used for unit testing, Daniel has also used it for end to end tests, and he talks about his experience with an open source project doing both types in Jest. Daniel concludes the show by advising listeners starting with JavaScript and frontend, don’t think too much about the library you’re going to use because you’ll probably end up using Jest. It’s more important to have unit tests and a proper testing framework at the beginning than anything else. He also invites listeners to check out his open source work on Github.

Panelists

• Aimee Knight

• AJ O’Neal

• Charles Max Wood

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Guest

• Danile Caldas

Sponsors

• Sentry | Use the code “devchat” for $100 credit

Links

• Zendesk

• Jest

• React

• Babel

• ESLint

• Async/Await

• Cypress

• React-d3-graph

• Unrevealed tips for unit testing with Jest

Picks

Aimee Knight:

• The Difference Between Fault Tolerance, High Availability, and Disaster Recovery

AJ O’Neal:

• Rubin Report with Lindsay Shepherd

Charles Max Wood:

• White Christmas

• Holiday Inn

Daniel Caldas:

• Home Alone

Felkay, Andrew

Chesterman, Simon

Flowers, Sarah, 1952-

ʻAmr, Sāmī, 1924-1998

Chelpi-den Hamer, Magali

Bennett, Zoë, author

Edwards, Kenneth W., 1928-

International Research Conference on Adolescence, Oshkosh, Wis., 1973

Bardin, Hillel

This prespecified secondary analysis of the MOMENTUM 3 randomized clinical trial aims to determine whether clinical outcomes of patients with 2 different left ventricular assist devices differed based on preoperative categories of bridge to transplant/bridge to candidacy vs destination therapy.

This study develops and validates a quantitative method to predict the pulmonary to systemic flow ratio in patients with congenital heart disease from chest radiographs using deep learning.

This case report describes bilateral calcified coronary aneurysms with a significant proximal left anterior descending and right coronary artery stenoses immediately distal to the aneurysms.

This cohort study uses the UK Biobank cohort data to compare the association of monogenic vs polygenic hypercholesterolemia with the risk of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease among individuals with comparable levels of low-density lipoprotein cholesterol.