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Mary Ann de Lares Norris is Chief Operating Officer of Oblong Industries. She brings her dog LouLou to Oblong's downtown LA headquarters.; Credit: Brian Watt/KPCC

Brian Watt

KPCC recently reported on the tech world’s diversity problem. Technology firms face challenges in hiring diverse staffs of its coders, web developers and software engineers.

It’s also a challenge at nonprofits such as Southern California Public Radio,  parent of 89.3 KPCC, which has always sought to build a staff that reflects the region it serves. The section of that staff that develops the KPCC app and makes its website run is all white and mostly male.

But a small talent pool means the diversity challenge is even greater for nonprofits and even smaller tech firms.

“The first problem is that all of the people working for me are male,” says Alex Schaffert, the one female on KPCC’s tech team.  “I’m kind of focusing on maybe getting another girl into the mix.”

Schaffert can use the term “girl” because she happens to be the leader of the tech team:  KPCC’s Managing Director of Digital Strategy and Innovation. 

Why diversity is important

Schaffert recently launched the topic of diversity – or lack thereof – at a weekly meeting of her team. She expected a “stilted and awkward” discussion from the five white men on her team, but a few of them didn’t hold back.  

“Not having diversity represented on the team leaves us more susceptible to circular thinking and everyone sort of verifying each other's assumptions,” said Joel Withrow,  who was serving at the time as KPCC’s Product Manager. “It impacts the work. It limits what you’re able to build.”

Sean Dillingham, KPCC’s Design and Development Manager, said living in a diverse community is what attracted him to Los Angeles, and he wants diversity in his immediate work team, too.

“When I look at other tech companies, I will often go to their ‘about us’ page, where they’ll have a page of photos of everyone, and I am immediately turned off when I just see just a sea of white dudes, or even just a sea of dudes,” Dillingham said.

Big competition, small talent pool

Dillingham and Schaffert are currently recruiting heavily to fill two tech-savvy positions. When a reporter or editor job opens up at KPCC, Schaffert says close to 100 resumes come in.

"But if you post a programmer job, and you get three or four resumes, you may not get lucky among those resumes," she says. "There may not be a woman in there. There may not be a person of color in there."

In other words, the talent pool is already small, and the diversity challenge makes it even smaller. KPCC is competing for talent with Google and Yahoo and all the start-ups on L.A.’s Silicon Beach. 

Schaffert’s being proactive, mining LinkedIn and staging networking events to attract potential candidates. She’s also trying to make sure KPCC’s job descriptions don’t sound like some she's seen in the tech world.

"If you read between the lines, they’re really looking for someone who is male and is somewhere between 25-30 years old and likes foosball tables and free energy drinks in the refrigerator," Schaffert says. “So you read between lines, and you know that they’re not talking about me, a mother of two kids who also has a demanding career. They're talking about someone different.”

Pay vs. passion

Schaffert's challenges and approaches to dealing with them are similar to those of Mary Ann de Lares Norris, the Chief Operating Officer at Oblong Industries. Based in downtown Los Angeles and founded in 2006, the company designs operating platforms for businesses that allow teams to collaborate in real time on digital parts of a project.

“I think technology and diversity is tough,” Norris told KPCC.  She’s proud her company’s management ranks are diverse, but says only 12 percent of its engineers are female. “Pretty standard in the tech industry, but it’s not great,” Norris says. “We really strive to increase that number, and all of the other companies are also, and it's really hard.”

Like Schaffert at KPCC, Norris works hard fine-tuning job descriptions and communicating that her company values diversity and work-life balance. But sometimes, it just boils down to money.

"We have to put out offers that have competitive salaries,” Norris says, adding that she can’t compete with the major tech firms. "The Googles and the Facebooks of the world can always pay more than we can. So we attract people who are passionate about coming to work for Oblong.  And, of course, we also offer stock options."

KPCC doesn’t have the  stock options, but we’ve got plenty of passion. Could that be the secret recruiting weapon for both small tech companies and nonprofits?  

LinkedIn recently surveyed engineers about what they look for in an employer. Good pay and work-life balance were the two top draws. Slightly more women prioritized work-life balance and slightly more men chose the big bucks. 

Clinical Entrepreneurship professor Adlai Wertman says that, historically, nonprofits and small businesses actually had the upper hand over big companies in recruiting minorities and women.

"There’s a feeling that they’re safer, more caring environments, less killer environments, and we know that corporate America has been the bastion of white males," said Wertman. 

But Wertman says that advantage disappears in the tech world because of the "supply-and-demand" problem with talent. When big firms decide to focus on diversity – as some have recently — they have plenty of resources.

"They’re always going to be able to pay more, and in truth they’re getting access to students coming out of these schools in ways that we as nonprofits and small companies never will," said Wertman. 

Wertman worked 18 years as an investment banker on Wall Street, then left to head a nonprofit on L.A.’s skid row. Now he heads the Brittingham Social Enterprise Lab Enterprise Lab at USC’s Marshall School of Business. He believes that, early on, the big companies have the best shot attracting diverse tech talent. But in the long run, much of that talent will turn back to smaller firms and nonprofits.

"I think ultimately people vote with where they’re most comfortable, where 'my values align with my employer's values, and if I don’t feel those values align, then I’m going to leave,'" Wertman said. "Ultimately, I think, for a lot of women and minorities, there’s a lot of value alignment within communities that are doing good in the world." 

This content is from Southern California Public Radio. View the original story at SCPR.org.




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Re: [manrs-community] Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Brandon Z. on Nov 13

Hi guys,

In technical terms, RIRs can indeed configure IPs to become RPKI invalid.
However, my point is not to remove RPKI but to make it invalid.

This could happen; for example, RIPE was required to remove all IRRs
related to Russia (I'm glad RIPE has not done this).

Decentralization can address this issue; it's not just a hype concept.

Best,
*Brandon Z.*
HUIZE LTD
www.huize.asia <https://huize.asia/>| www.ixp.su | Twitter...




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Roman Tatarnikov on Nov 13

Brandon, I blockchain and BGP were discussed on NANOG some years ago, back
when the deployment of RPKI was brought up. Short answer - it won't solve jack
and will use tons of computation power.

I'm not really going to go into details, but essentially adding a band-aid
instead of adopting RPKI and addressing the issues with RIR is not the best
course of action.




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Francis Booth via NANOG on Nov 13

In such a scenario I’d argue for less automation to prevent such a rogue RIR from being able to cause such a disruption
to the Internet.

To expand on what Tom mentioned, Networks are not yet rejecting announcements with a NotFound validation. Even if such
an event did occur I’d be willing to bet most network operators are going to be leaning on their interpersonal
connections rather than automation to reestablish peering with networks....




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by William Herrin on Nov 13

Hi Brandon,

That's not how blockchain works. Validation is time-bound and
irrevocable. Only the current key-holder can transfer the validated
material to another entity. Effecting such transfers requires minimal
computation, on the order of a few HTTPS transfers.

Under block chain, an RIR would not be able to revoke number
resources, not even for non-payment or fraud. And if the keys
associated with an address block were lost or stolen,...




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Jason Iannone on Nov 13

Imagine decentralizing x.509.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 11:42 AM Roman Tatarnikov <r.tatarnikov () intlos org>
wrote:




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Brandon Z. on Nov 13

Hi William,

Okay, this would lead to a permanent loss of resources, whereas
cryptocurrency does not have this issue.

the rules for NANOG and I presume it's against the rules for MANRS as
well.

Noticed that; sorry for posting twice as well.

Best,
*Brandon Z.*
HUIZE LTD
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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Jason R. Rokeach via NANOG on Nov 13

For what it's worth, this is quite implementation specific and leaves a lot of room for intentional and appropriate
design decisions. Custom smart contract (think "decentralized program") code could be used to enable the functionality
desired for an RIR, without other functionality.
Let's extrapolate: An RIR could use smart contracts with immutable code to allow an entity to register a specific block
and retain certain...




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Tom Beecher on Nov 13

Incorrect.

If the RIR revokes the resource certificate used to sign the ROA, the ROA
is also then revoked. Validator software will then remove the VRPs that had
been created from that previously valid ROA. If there are no other VRPs
that cover the BGP message parameters, the validator will return NOTFOUND.

If the RIR refused to publish or deleted the ROA, validators will
eventually delete them, which also removes the VRP previously created. If...




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by William Herrin on Nov 13

Not really. If it's technically feasible to override or roll back
transactions, you've violated one of the central tenets of block
chain. You can design a system that allows transactions to be rolled
back or changed by a central authority but the result would not be a
block chain and would not have the desired characteristic of
resistance against government compulsion.

Regards,
Bill Herrin




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Jason R. Rokeach via NANOG on Nov 13

transactions, you've violated one of the central tenets of block
chain.

To be clear, I did not state such. Ownership can be transferred by smart contract. This does not violate a core tenet
of blockchains and is a key feature of almost all blockchains which still exhibit signs of life.




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by William Herrin on Nov 13

If the RIR can institute a revocation via smart contract, for any
reason, then you haven't achieved any resilience against government
compulsion applied to the RIR, which was Brandon's reason for
considering blockchain in the first place.

Regards,
Bill Herrin




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Matt Corallo on Nov 13

Thanks for raising this topic. In all the rush to deploy RPKI I fear these issues are not talked
about enough.

A variant of this could make some sense, the issue is that it doesn't do you a whole lot of good to
have a local RPKI anchor that you and your local community look to if the global internet community
isn't looking at it - sure, your IPs are routable to a few of your friends, but they can't reach
Google...oops....




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by Seth David Schoen on Nov 13

Matt Corallo writes:

There are some tools out there either directly using or inspired by
Certificate Transparency that facilitate transparency logging of other
kinds of events. It might be interesting to put RPKI events into one
of those.

The big difference between blockchains and systems like CT is that the
latter do have single points of failure (an operator can shut down the
log completely, or break it in other ways), or at least relatively...




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Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Posted by David Conrad via NANOG on Nov 14

Tom,

Something I’ve been curious about for some time: since deployment of RPKI is (mostly) hosted by the RIRs and
ultimately, the RIRs control the validation chain, what would happen if the RIR creates (or, if you prefer, is directed
by court order to create) INVALIDs?

Regards,
-drc




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